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John 3:16

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John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

A question that has been brought up about this is..

Can you be a horrible person and still be a christian?

We know that Jesus died for are sins, and so we are forgiven.

Lets say, this guy belives in Jesus with his whole hart and belives he is a christian, but he was a horrible sinner...

He comites adultery almost every night, he is a thief,lier, even murderer...
But he does this knowing that Jesus will forgive him...

Lets say Hitler believed in Jesus! Would he get to heaven?

Im wondering how hard we have to be on are selfs when it comes to sinning? Jesus will forgive us anyway right?
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One love, hear my plea, one heart
Give thanks and praise to the lord, and I will feel alright


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jeremiah wrote:
goat wrote:Not quite true. The child is considered JEWISH if the mother is Jewish, but the bloodline counts from the father. The bloodlines were so very important to the
ancient Hebrews that the bloodline of an adopted child was their biological fathers
bloodline, not the adoptive fathers bloodline.

This is considered today, when only the Cohan and the Levine know their bloodline. To be a Cohan or a Levine , your biological father has to be one.
I knew something was a little off last night. This confirms it. It is interesting how the two parents play an important role in the identity of the chld though. I do like that. So what about my other two questions?

The questions about Romans is beyond what I can answer, but according to the Jewish faith, Gentiles are not under the Mosaic laws, but rather under the noahide laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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So what are these "new laws" that you speak of?

And if you say that you think that people were basically good from the time of Noah, God chose to destroy mankind save but Noah and his family, why would he do that? Just a question, curious about your answer.

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Udanor wrote:Can you be a horrible person and still be a christian?
Yes, you can. Bad behavior and sins are often caused by demons and apart from other reasons, demons sometimes attack those whose faith is good and who serves the truth because they hate such people most.

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The_Spirit_of_Truth wrote:
Udanor wrote:Can you be a horrible person and still be a christian?
Yes, you can. Bad behavior and sins are often caused by demons and apart from other reasons, demons sometimes attack those whose faith is good and who serves the truth because they hate such people most.

http://www.spiritualknowledgebooks.net/
It sounds to me like you are trying to pass the buck when it comes t sin. Bad behavior and sins are often caused by demons? Demons can't force anybody to do anything. That would be a violation of freewill, which supposedly God would never allow. At most demons could only influence sin, but even then there is no reason to believe that man needs demons to do that. Man will naturally sin.

How do demons cause sin?
What examples of so-called "demon attacks" can really be shown to be demoniac?

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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OnceConvinced wrote:It sounds to me like you are trying to pass the buck when it comes t sin. Bad behavior and sins are often caused by demons? Demons can't force anybody to do anything. That would be a violation of freewill, which supposedly God would never allow. At most demons could only influence sin, but even then there is no reason to believe that man needs demons to do that. Man will naturally sin.

How do demons cause sin?
What examples of so-called "demon attacks" can really be shown to be demoniac?
Demons can force people to sin if they are commanded / allowed to do so by their bosses. And man does not have a free will like most of people naively believe it.

Please read "Crime And Punishment" from the sample:

http://www.pkfreebooks.net/ebooks/mosaic.zip

Example of demons that cause sin are crimes commited by people. When commiting them, the people were influenced by demons.

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The_Spirit_of_Truth wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:It sounds to me like you are trying to pass the buck when it comes t sin. Bad behavior and sins are often caused by demons? Demons can't force anybody to do anything. That would be a violation of freewill, which supposedly God would never allow. At most demons could only influence sin, but even then there is no reason to believe that man needs demons to do that. Man will naturally sin.

How do demons cause sin?
What examples of so-called "demon attacks" can really be shown to be demoniac?
Demons can force people to sin if they are commanded / allowed to do so by their bosses. And man does not have a free will like most of people naively believe it.

Please read "Crime And Punishment" from the sample:

http://www.pkfreebooks.net/ebooks/mosaic.zip

Claims for demons don't make demons true. It just sounds like an excuse to escape the responsibility of their own actions.

Example of demons that cause sin are crimes commited by people. When commiting them, the people were influenced by demons.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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