What is meant by "spiritually dead"?

[bernee51]

In another thread this comment was made of a poster:

A spiritually dead person cannot understand the bible, you should not even read the bible.

I have been called 'spiritually dead" but have yet to reach an understanding of what it means. Must I be 'spiritually alive to understand what is meant by "spiritually dead"?

What does 'spiritually dead' mean?

And secondly - why admonish a so called spiritually dead person for reading the bible. would it not be to their advantage for a 'spiritually dead' person to read the bible in order to become 'spiritually alive"?

[Beta]

To be spiritually dead applies to a natural, carnal, unconverted Human who is without God's Holy Spirit.

To be spiritually alive is to have God's Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

It is the spirit that quickens (makes alive) the flesh profits nothing. Jh.6v63.
But since man is alive without Gods HS in the natural state it is the human spirit that gives us human awareness. Without it we are humanly / bodily dead (fit only for the grave).

[Fallibleone]

As I said:

this is what happens when one judges others based on the teachings in a book.

One discerns that the book is the 'Truth', that there is 'Spirit', that it is possible for one to be 'spiritually alive', that those who understand the 'Truth' are 'spiritually alive', that is is possible to be 'spiritually dead', that those who do not understand the 'Truth' are spiritually dead, and that those who do not agree that it is the 'Truth' simply do not understand that it is the 'Truth'. All based on an argument from authority. To me this is an exercise in elitism and nothing more.

[Vanguard]

To be spiritually dead applies to a natural, carnal, unconverted Human who is without God's Holy Spirit.

To be spiritually alive is to have God's Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

It is the spirit that quickens (makes alive) the flesh profits nothing. Jh.6v63.
But since man is alive without Gods HS in the natural state it is the human spirit that gives us human awareness. Without it we are humanly / bodily dead (fit only for the grave).

Am I correct in assuming then that you believe those who do not accept the Savior's message are spiritually without? I'm not sure why you quote the scripture you do? The scripture does not say that the spirit quickens that which is void of the spirit but rather quickens that which is already there. Is that a stretch?

I am uncomfortable with any suggestion that my fellow non-believers are "fit only for the grave".

[byofrcs]

In another thread this comment was made of a poster:

A spiritually dead person cannot understand the bible, you should not even read the bible.

I have been called 'spiritually dead" but have yet to reach an understanding of what it means. Must I be 'spiritually alive to understand what is meant by "spiritually dead"?

What does 'spiritually dead' mean?

And secondly - why admonish a so called spiritually dead person for reading the bible. would it not be to their advantage for a 'spiritually dead' person to read the bible in order to become 'spiritually alive"?

Sounds like a ad hominem attack to me in that it looks like an appeal to emotion. Reading the actual thread I see the moderator correctly raised the point that it wasn't a valid way of debate. Why bother furthering discussion on a fallacy on a new thread ?

[Beta]

We need to look at our existence 2 ways,
the present human/physical life in which ' the spirit of man ' gives us the Mind to exist on this earth, to be alive , think and reason. When we die that human spirit leaves us Eccl.12v7 It is for a physical life only, it does not give us eternal life.

The Spirit of God (when it is given) will enable us to have a future spirit-existence - the preparation of which begins in this life when one receives the Holy Spirit from God Acts 5v32, 2v38. It is our begettal (conception) to a future spirit-life (immortal,eternal life as God has it)

[byofrcs]

We need to look at our existence 2 ways,
the present human/physical life in which ' the spirit of man ' gives us the Mind to exist on this earth, to be alive , think and reason. When we die that human spirit leaves us Eccl.12v7 It is for a physical life only, it does not give us eternal life.

The Spirit of God (when it is given) will enable us to have a future spirit-existence - the preparation of which begins in this life when one receives the Holy Spirit from God Acts 5v32, 2v38. It is our begettal (conception) to a future spirit-life (immortal,eternal life as God has it)

...on the other hand I envisage the time when we'll have the technology to maintain our consciousness separate from our physical body. I envisage when we can transfer our consciousness to another physical body when the old one breaks down.

Obviously at this time we do not have this technology but I think I'll put my faith in technology achieving a future spirit-existence before we ever see any tangible evidence of any god. When that time comes then that is the end of religion as we know it today.

[faith]

In another thread this comment was made of a poster:

A spiritually dead person cannot understand the bible, you should not even read the bible.

I have been called 'spiritually dead" but have yet to reach an understanding of what it means. Must I be 'spiritually alive to understand what is meant by "spiritually dead"?

What does 'spiritually dead' mean?

And secondly - why admonish a so called spiritually dead person for reading the bible. would it not be to their advantage for a 'spiritually dead' person to read the bible in order to become 'spiritually alive"?

Spiritually dead is someone who is a believer but has not received the inner dwelling of the Holy Spirit, Yet. If reading the bible they would need teaching by someone in the Spirit. So spiritually dead is someone who is not walking in Spirit and Truth.

It has nothing to do with what the individual professes to believe.

Love Faith.xx

[bernee51]

In another thread this comment was made of a poster:

A spiritually dead person cannot understand the bible, you should not even read the bible.

I have been called 'spiritually dead" but have yet to reach an understanding of what it means. Must I be 'spiritually alive to understand what is meant by "spiritually dead"?

What does 'spiritually dead' mean?

And secondly - why admonish a so called spiritually dead person for reading the bible. would it not be to their advantage for a 'spiritually dead' person to read the bible in order to become 'spiritually alive"?

Spiritually dead is someone who is a believer but has not received the inner dwelling of the Holy Spirit, Yet. If reading the bible they would need teaching by someone in the Spirit. So spiritually dead is someone who is not walking in Spirit and Truth.

It has nothing to do with what the individual professes to believe.

Love Faith.xx

So how does one determine who is spiritually dead or spiritually alive.

IOW how does 'spiritual aliveness' manifest in everyday life?

[Beta]

Faith ,

You are contradicting yourself
' spiritually dead is someone who belives........'

'...it has nothing to do with what we belive '

can you explain ???

[Beta]

So how does one determine who is spiritually dead or spiritually alive.

IOW how does 'spiritual aliveness' manifest in everyday life?

When one is a true follower of Christ

and walks in his steps.

But since this whole world is deceived Rev.12v9, relatively few walk in the spirit of Christ - only those whom God draws and calls as for inst. the Apostles when Jesus told them Jh.15v16 and a few before and after them as of now only 144.000 who will be in the first resurrection at Christ's second coming.
The world is deceived into thinking they have God's HS forgetting all about the words Jesus spoke in Mat.24 and applying them to others. Yet every religion and denomination claims to be in the truth when in fact nobody is.- only those drawn and called by God. Consolation is that all who are willing will be drawn over time. God is not saving the whole world in one go as people falsly assume.