can you be Christian and bI?

[rapture101]

i know this sounds weird.One of the people I go to school with asked me this questian.So I became a little weird about it.I couldnt find the amswer.So what are your oppions?

[Corvus]

I would assume so. The bible only condemns the same-sex acts, not same sex desires, so theoretically, if a bisexaul person only appreciated the same sex from a distance, there should be nothing wrong with that.

[em200727]

well as homosexuality is very wrong according to the Bible even if you like the the opposite sex to its still practicing it. i dont think its right to be bi but you can still be a Christian. i mean obviously Christians arent perfect and we sin and to God a sin is a sin but you're not supposed to live in sin so i would ask God to help you to fight the temptation

[rapture101]

Dude im straight.Its this guy at school.and i thought i could get points from it.thats all.But my other postes are real questians.

Thanks for your post

[em200727]

um dude i was saying you as a universal term ok?

[melikio]

um dude i was saying you as a universal term ok?

LOL!!

NOT being straight, I found this response to be humorus.

Seriously, I don't think most homosexual people run around affirming their sexual-orientation to themselves. I didn't really think about saying anything stronger to myself than, "Man!! I'm different from other boys, where it comes to this."

I didn't spend a lot of time justifying my human sexuality, to myself. I just asked questions like this (some for DECADES):

1. WHY am I like this?
2. HOW can I fix this (to be like others)?
3. IF God is going to FIX this...WHEN is God going to FIX this?
(35+ years of this question, changes/shapes a person.)
4. Since I know many people are like this, why don't people (especially Christians) talk more openly and honestly about it?

I realize there are different answers to a question like this (in the real world). And defining a person's sexuality isn't as clear-cut as it seems to one standing outside of the person. What some people see as just plain old sin, others realize is a part of them (no matter how Christians or others define them).

I think it's hard for people to look at all of this through a love-focused lens; they try to apply rules and their sense of morality to something that really isn't so easily understood or defined.

Like I said, as a boy, I didn't seek to accept my homosexuality. Frankly, I saw the way homosexuals were treated by nearly everyone, and I DILLIGENTLY SOUGHT to NOT be gay. That didn't work...and let's just say I've never felt STRAIGHT. By the same token, I haven't promoted the silly idea, that "gay" is this great thing; the WAY to be.

I was a follower of Jesus, well before I knew there was a serious conflict with most people's interpretations of the Bible. I knew Jesus accepted me as I was; my homosexuality was a part of me, that went far beyond what many see as a "choice". If there are "real" choices for many (not all) homosexuals, they have to do with abstaining and/or self-control in general. It a "myth" that being "Christian", somehow makes a person un-gay...or some similar thing. Some may be able to shift their sexuality to some new/different gear as Christians, but there is no guaranteee or clear-cut method for Christianity to accomplish such a change.

The overall truth, is that people who are "Christians"...deal with every type of fault that comes as a result of the "fall". We can't always cure ourselves or change what we happen to be; often grace and miracles are things we have to wait upon.

-Mel-

[Corvus]

um dude i was saying you as a universal term ok?

LOL!!

NOT being straight, I found this response to be humorus.

Seriously, I don't think most homosexual people run around affirming their sexual-orientation to themselves. I didn't really think about saying anything stronger to myself than, "Man!! I'm different from other boys, where it comes to this."

I understand some psychologists consider sexuality not to be a matter of set categories, but a sort of continuum stretching from strict heterosexual, spanning several shades of part heterosexuality, part homosexuality,and ending in strict homosexuality. Most people sit a bit right of centre or left of centre. If true, almost everyone is sort of bisexual. And surely there are some types of man that the most vocal heterosexual male can consider "handsome" or "charming"?

By the same token, I haven't promoted the silly idea, that "gay" is this great thing; the WAY to be.

To quote the Earl of Rochester;
Love a woman, you're an ass
Tis a most insipid passion
To choose out for your happiness
The silliest part of God's creation.
(From memory)

[melikio]

Note: Out of overall respect to the person who sent me the private message, I witheld their screename. And I posted the response here, because I rarely see the value in posting to a single person on the net. Most of my answers are speaking to the "society" I see...not strictly religion or Christianity itself.

so your basicly saying you can be gay and christian.But isnt it wrong in some way.

You kind of touched upon the MAIN issue.

I'm basically saying that ALL people will have problems in being "Christian", as most define it. Something is wrong with EVERYONE.

But I know that God knows a LOT better than humans, exactly how homosexuality (or human sexuality altogether) must be dealt with in each person.

What some people think/believe the "corrections" are, very often aren't.

I have been a homosexual all of my life, and I've been through many motions to FIX my sexual orientation. I nearly lost my mind struggling with it; then to later see that people didn't REALLY care that MULTITUDES of gay people go through the very same things I went through. That they weren't happy with the FACT that I couldn't be as interested in women as they (other heterosexual men) were. That even "Christian" men couldn't take enough of their intellectual energy, and work to feel compassion for millions of gay men who just aren't like they are (sexually speaking).

But no, I never tried to say homosexuality is right (in a "Christian" sense); I simply GOT TIRED of the hypocrisy and unnecessarily-negative treatment, that so many have JUSTIFIED (erroneously) via religion and man-made laws. There are people playing "God", and they are clearly unlike Jesus (when it comes to treating people, as they SHOULD be treated). Homosexuals getting "FIXED" or changed, is not THE solution to what ails mankind or this nation. So many people have allowed the hysteria around homosexuality to influence them. It is to the ppoint where although many who are gay might agree that they need to change, they realize that they cannot "trust" the "normal" people for even a moment, to REALLY HELP THEM.

Consequently, people like me who have struggled with this ALL OF THEIR LIVES (one way or the other), have indeed RUN to God and practically HID IN HIM. No...we cannot listen to another 3000 (or so) people, tell us that our very being is a "sin" (which is unfair and hypocritical on the face of it), and no...we aren't going to allow ourselves to be scapegoated, for every Christian who is looking for the most convenient whipping-boy.

I DO NOT tell people that homosexuality or bisexuality is right. But if I could, I would certainly let everyone know that God has THE most love to offer them. Many human beings who happen to be Christian, put so much weight on "homosexuals"; that needs to stop. Perhaps more people could address sexual sin more intently overall, but the approaches and attitudes I see homosexuals enduring, are leading to very little that is good or just.

There is definitely something wrong in ALL human beings, and human sexuality is full of "issues" period. Homosexual offenses (actual and/or perceived), are fuel for hysteria in this society, and that needs to be looked into, if real help and solutions are to be administered by those who claim to be "Christians" within this society.

If I had a measurement device, to see if people had a tendency to err on the side of kindness or harshness, I think it would be clear enough that people are usually harder on one another and a lot less compassionate than Christ would tend to be.

I don't know about anyone else, but even taking into account, Jesus' whipping of the people at the temple, I don't see in the Bible the type of "Jesus" far too many people PROJECT, when they unleash their "Christianity" upon others (especially homosexuals).

I know the morality of the issue can be debated and lines can be drawn philosophically...it seems perpetual. But when we are dealing the hearts and minds of people who have experienced many shades of reality, there are intricasies inside of a given person that are God's providence period. And that is to say: While people can believe and feel that homosexuality is wrong, based upon their view of the Bible or religion, it doesn't necessarily follow, that they have have the right to RIDE homosexuals in any manner they see fit.

I understand taking control of truly violent criminal activity across the board, but the things I see many attempting to justify in the name of combating the "homosexual agenda", really do need to be reviewed spiritually, morally, socially and politically. If that isn't done, then we risk denying people the rights and freedoms they truly have been granted by God (even IF we disagree with them). Love is not about controlling people (except in some very extreme circumstances).

-Mel-

[rapture101]

Im basicly thinking that God will forgive you(if you are).The way you feel is that way for a reason.

Right Mel???

[melikio]

Im basicly thinking that God will forgive you(if you are).The way you feel is that way for a reason.

Right Mel???

r101, I just hope that in time, more people who are "Christians", will learn the value of compassion and grace, in dealing with homosexuals. I don't question God anymore about my homosexual-orientation; I KNOW He can feel exactly what I'm going through, and cares more than I do about myself. I'm not going to spend my whole life, trying to NOT be gay (it's not like changing clothes or even a "lifestyle").

Even so, it is fairly common that OTHER sinners receive a type of grace by Christians in this society that appears to be appropriate, but a struggling homosexual is despised/rejected and feared (unreasonably so) by other human beings. No, this is not always and EVERY Christian, but it is something that I hope is addressed all the more as time progresses.

Homosexuals aren't going to disappear from reality, and even altering them through science (if that becomes possible) would be controversial. Personally, I would have chosen such an "alteration" earlier in my life. In fact, I DID seek to change my sexual-orientation, as soon as I found out I'd likely be rejected for it. What I didn't exepect, was that God would allow these sexual feelings to remain for the majority of my life. And it's funny, that as hard as some people try to cause homosexuals to be straight, they do not chat with them about struggles to change, disappointments with things they've tried or addressing the loneliness many of them endure as a result of unnecessary social rejection.

You speak of forgiveness...yes, I know what that is. And I forgive others because I believe I have been forgiven. I don't argue the morality of homosexuality, but I do promote vigorously the most humane treatment possible, for those who happen to be homosexual. For if we were to address ALL sin (especially sexual ones) as dilligently as homosexuality is, I think the value of such compassion would be readily understood by significantly more people (Christian and otherwise).

My primary contention remains:

Homosexual people are too often mistreated in this society (and the world). And if something being "Christian" means that it must cause great pain to homosexual people (to convince them to change), then I think that needs to be scrutinized (reviewed) as much as anything "religious" has ever been.

-Mel-