I thought it might be a good idea to look at a few of the complaints we Christians tend to get in terms of our debating. I've been trying to picture my opponents doing something similar, even if it's not the sort of thing that would ever happen. I think it might be enlightening for us to answer some of these questions.
And feel free to add some of your own, but can we make complaints about the irritating things our opponents do out-of-bounds for this one?
1) How would you respond if there were some kind of atheistic "scripture" that was quoted at you for evidence as "proof" that there was no God?
2) What would you say to an atheist who simply but sincerely maintained that he has faith that no God exists.
3) What is the best response to claims from atheists that some force in the universe will punish us severely if we don't accept their belief that there is no God?
Trying to answer these questions, I think, will make us more empathetic and better debaters (even if you don't personally do these things). I'm a big believer in the idea that we can't expect people who don't know God to come to our place of understanding on their own. Rather, its our job to understand their form of reasoning.
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Post #1We must continually ask ourselves whether victory has become more central to our goals than truth.
Post #14
Actually there is this. Science, on how life started and evolution, fits this description.1) How would you respond if there were some kind of atheistic "scripture" that was quoted at you for evidence as "proof" that there was no God?
2) What would you say to an atheist who simply but sincerely maintained that he has faith that no God exists.
3) What is the best response to claims from atheists that some force in the universe will punish us severely if we don't accept their belief that there is no God?
religion
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
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Post #15
I agree on what you say that there is no place for evil on earth as it was said in the book of Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.Death is just what it seems. There is no place of torment.
God made everything and it was very good, God never planned to put evil anywhere here on earth. But. how come evil came in?
the death you are speaking of is physical death right? I don't know if you will agree with me that in Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God is speaking of the spiritual death for Adam.
Who is the first one who experienced death spiritually and physically? Where did it happen?
Post #16
The evil that came in was from Satan. The bible says Satan made himself Satan ( which means resistor) He was placed in the position of ruling the earth, by God. He turned himself into Satan. ( and Satan is still ruling the earth)I agree on what you say that there is no place for evil on earth as it was said in the book of Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
God made everything and it was very good, God never planned to put evil anywhere here on earth. But. how come evil came in?
the death you are speaking of is physical death right? I don't know if you will agree with me that in Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God is speaking of the spiritual death for Adam.
Who is the first one who experienced death spiritually and physically? Where did it happen?
Less than 130 years after Adam and Eve sinned, the first violent murder, a fratricide, occurred. Cain, Adam’s firstborn son, motivated by envious hatred, murdered his righteous brother Abel. (Ge 4:1-8, 25; 5:3) For this act Cain was cursed in banishment to become a wanderer and a fugitive in the earth. (Ge 4:11, 12)
Now animals all died in their time, but for humans it was Abel. Humans are not immortal. ( for that matter neither are the angels) There is no spirit that goes out from the physical body when man dies. That is why the bible says that his thoughts do perish. The only hope for anyone that dies is Gods memory of you.
Post #17
ISAIAH 14:12-14The evil that came in was from Satan. The bible says Satan made himself Satan ( which means resistor)
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
may I ask a quote from the bible that God put him to rule the earth?thanksHe was placed in the position of ruling the earth, by God. He turned himself into Satan. ( and Satan is still ruling the earth)
I agree that abel was the first man who expirenced physical death. how about spiritual death?Less than 130 years after Adam and Eve sinned, the first violent murder, a fratricide, occurred. Cain, Adam’s firstborn son, motivated by envious hatred, murdered his righteous brother Abel. (Ge 4:1-8, 25; 5:3) For this act Cain was cursed in banishment to become a wanderer and a fugitive in the earth. (Ge 4:11, 12)
Now animals all died in their time, but for humans it was Abel.
yesHumans are not immortal.
please qoute a verse. thanks( for that matter neither are the angels)
Post #19
John 8:44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.The reason I say this is because many religions teach different things, about death. Please explain further
As it said that there is no truth in satan. So from his word in Genesis 3:4-5
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
He lied here because he himself experienced death already from the time that he rebelled against God. He deceived eve saying you will not die when you disobey God for in fact he himself died when he go against God. So for me this is the spiritual death that satan himself first experienced.
Ephesians 4:18
18They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
Here says that there is a separation from the life of God means for God they are dead even though they are still alive. ITim5:6 But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. James1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
I don't know if you will agree with me I just want to share my understanding. And for me the first man who experienced spiritual death is adam.
Do you believe in once save always save? And faith alone that can save you? I don't want to offending I just want to share.
