The purpose of the "Gay" Crusade

[TheQuestioner]

When i was about ten years of age i attended church on a regular basis. I remember vividly that i few times in sunday school i was taught that being LGBT was horridly wrong, and also that Muslims were sad people because they put so much time and effort into the "wrong religion". Now I tried hard to believe this, but in the end even as a ten year old i couldn't, i couldn't see what was wrong with being gay, and this has got me wondering. What is the purpose of targeting and discriminating homosexuals, what would it achieve for any church base except alienate a portion of their church body? and lastly Why isn't this energy spent on something that does not alienate people and can universally be considered bad, like adultery?


please help me out it confuses me so much at times.


sorry if a similar thread exists i'm new here

[East of Eden]

No, I think same-sex marriages should be prohibited (One thing I agree with Obama on) as long as the majority of Americans want it to be so.

Regardless of whether or not Obama is just being demagogical (which is likely in my opinion), he cannot rationally defend that position anymore than you can. But his double standard is painstakingly obvious because of his sponsoring of legislation to ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and then fuelling that exact same discrimination by standing against gay marriage, when his personal feelings on the matter, as a Christian, should not be relevant.

If he's for banning same sex marriage because he's Christian, why the heck doesn't he simply ban other religions altogether? If he's convinced Christianity is the right choice, and the majority of Americans are Christians, why not do that as well? I mean, come on... You can't marry a person of the same sex, even if you're Christian, but you can worship another god freely? So ultimately, being gay is worse than worshipping other gods. This is almost too ridiculous to handle...

Any way you slice it, it's discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, which is something Obama is allegedly against.

If I may ask EoE, what are your feelings concerning marijuana? Relates to the "majority" criteria...

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

[McCulloch]

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

First explain how this is not a red herring. One's position on marriages being extended beyond two is in no way dependent on one's position of the genders acceptable to marriage. If the reasons for objecting to multiple marriage are solely religious, then its prohibition should not be a matter of state law.

[East of Eden]

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

First explain how this is not a red herring. One's position on marriages being extended beyond two is in no way dependent on one's position of the genders acceptable to marriage. If the reasons for objecting to multiple marriage are solely religious, then its prohibition should not be a matter of state law.

It shows your 'inconsistency', as I have been accused of. Once again, one's reasons for objecting to any public policy are their own business, and has nothing to do with the Federal gov't. establishing a state church.

[Beto]

No, I think same-sex marriages should be prohibited (One thing I agree with Obama on) as long as the majority of Americans want it to be so.

Regardless of whether or not Obama is just being demagogical (which is likely in my opinion), he cannot rationally defend that position anymore than you can. But his double standard is painstakingly obvious because of his sponsoring of legislation to ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and then fuelling that exact same discrimination by standing against gay marriage, when his personal feelings on the matter, as a Christian, should not be relevant.

If he's for banning same sex marriage because he's Christian, why the heck doesn't he simply ban other religions altogether? If he's convinced Christianity is the right choice, and the majority of Americans are Christians, why not do that as well? I mean, come on... You can't marry a person of the same sex, even if you're Christian, but you can worship another god freely? So ultimately, being gay is worse than worshipping other gods. This is almost too ridiculous to handle...

Any way you slice it, it's discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, which is something Obama is allegedly against.

If I may ask EoE, what are your feelings concerning marijuana? Relates to the "majority" criteria...

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

You're asking me if I would discriminate against three or more people wanting to get married? I do not relate to it, but I cannot rationally and objectively oppose to it, so I wouldn't. Exactly the same as with same-sex marriage. Is that surprising?

[East of Eden]

No, I think same-sex marriages should be prohibited (One thing I agree with Obama on) as long as the majority of Americans want it to be so.

Regardless of whether or not Obama is just being demagogical (which is likely in my opinion), he cannot rationally defend that position anymore than you can. But his double standard is painstakingly obvious because of his sponsoring of legislation to ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and then fuelling that exact same discrimination by standing against gay marriage, when his personal feelings on the matter, as a Christian, should not be relevant.

If he's for banning same sex marriage because he's Christian, why the heck doesn't he simply ban other religions altogether? If he's convinced Christianity is the right choice, and the majority of Americans are Christians, why not do that as well? I mean, come on... You can't marry a person of the same sex, even if you're Christian, but you can worship another god freely? So ultimately, being gay is worse than worshipping other gods. This is almost too ridiculous to handle...

Any way you slice it, it's discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, which is something Obama is allegedly against.

If I may ask EoE, what are your feelings concerning marijuana? Relates to the "majority" criteria...

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

You're asking me if I would discriminate against three or more people wanting to get married? I do not relate to it, but I cannot rationally and objectively oppose to it, so I wouldn't. Exactly the same as with same-sex marriage. Is that surprising?

No, its what I would expect a moral relativist to say. As far as marijuana, I would be against legalizing it, but of course would go along with what the majority want.

[Beto]

No, I think same-sex marriages should be prohibited (One thing I agree with Obama on) as long as the majority of Americans want it to be so.

Regardless of whether or not Obama is just being demagogical (which is likely in my opinion), he cannot rationally defend that position anymore than you can. But his double standard is painstakingly obvious because of his sponsoring of legislation to ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and then fuelling that exact same discrimination by standing against gay marriage, when his personal feelings on the matter, as a Christian, should not be relevant.

If he's for banning same sex marriage because he's Christian, why the heck doesn't he simply ban other religions altogether? If he's convinced Christianity is the right choice, and the majority of Americans are Christians, why not do that as well? I mean, come on... You can't marry a person of the same sex, even if you're Christian, but you can worship another god freely? So ultimately, being gay is worse than worshipping other gods. This is almost too ridiculous to handle...

Any way you slice it, it's discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, which is something Obama is allegedly against.

If I may ask EoE, what are your feelings concerning marijuana? Relates to the "majority" criteria...

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

You're asking me if I would discriminate against three or more people wanting to get married? I do not relate to it, but I cannot rationally and objectively oppose to it, so I wouldn't. Exactly the same as with same-sex marriage. Is that surprising?

No, its what I would expect a moral relativist to say. As far as marijuana, I would be against legalizing it, but of course would go along with what the majority want.

I'm glad you acknowledge the difference between your personal feelings on the matter, and legislating over it.

Without any other considerations, except your personal feelings as a Christian, would you support a law to ban other religions? And do you think it makes sense to ban same-sex marriage because one feels it's right as a Christian, but not to ban other religions altogether, thereby nipping all other similar issues in the bud?

Why not ban other religions, if things allegedly against Christianity, like same-sex marriage, are banned? Is it or is it not a simple double standard, indulged to please the "majority" and comfort their prejudice?

[East of Eden]

No, I think same-sex marriages should be prohibited (One thing I agree with Obama on) as long as the majority of Americans want it to be so.

Regardless of whether or not Obama is just being demagogical (which is likely in my opinion), he cannot rationally defend that position anymore than you can. But his double standard is painstakingly obvious because of his sponsoring of legislation to ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and then fuelling that exact same discrimination by standing against gay marriage, when his personal feelings on the matter, as a Christian, should not be relevant.

If he's for banning same sex marriage because he's Christian, why the heck doesn't he simply ban other religions altogether? If he's convinced Christianity is the right choice, and the majority of Americans are Christians, why not do that as well? I mean, come on... You can't marry a person of the same sex, even if you're Christian, but you can worship another god freely? So ultimately, being gay is worse than worshipping other gods. This is almost too ridiculous to handle...

Any way you slice it, it's discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, which is something Obama is allegedly against.

If I may ask EoE, what are your feelings concerning marijuana? Relates to the "majority" criteria...

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

You're asking me if I would discriminate against three or more people wanting to get married? I do not relate to it, but I cannot rationally and objectively oppose to it, so I wouldn't. Exactly the same as with same-sex marriage. Is that surprising?

No, its what I would expect a moral relativist to say. As far as marijuana, I would be against legalizing it, but of course would go along with what the majority want.

I'm glad you acknowledge the difference between your personal feelings on the matter, and legislating over it.

Without any other considerations, except your personal feelings as a Christian, would you support a law to ban other religions? And do you think it makes sense to ban same-sex marriage because one feels it's right as a Christian, but not to ban other religions altogether, thereby nipping all other similar issues in the bud?

Why not ban other religions, if things allegedly against Christianity, like same-sex marriage, are banned? Is it or is it not a simple double standard, indulged to please the "majority" and comfort their prejudice?

Christianity does speak against the deadly perversion of homosexuality, nowhere does Christ say we are to ban other beliefs. God will deal with other beliefs on Judgement Day. Islam is the religion that wants to ban other religions, not Christianity.

[Beto]

Christianity does speak against the deadly perversion of homosexuality, nowhere does Christ say we are to ban other beliefs. God will deal with other beliefs on Judgement Day. Islam is the religion that wants to ban other religions, not Christianity.

I seem to recall a "greatest and most important commandment", that did not go well with "other beliefs". Was it not to be followed in life? Is "not being gay" more important than loving "the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind"?

EDIT: If I may rephrase... "not marrying another of the same sex". I was straying a bit there...

[McCulloch]

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

First explain how this is not a red herring. One's position on marriages being extended beyond two is in no way dependent on one's position of the genders acceptable to marriage. If the reasons for objecting to multiple marriage are solely religious, then its prohibition should not be a matter of state law.

It shows your 'inconsistency', as I have been accused of. Once again, one's reasons for objecting to any public policy are their own business, and has nothing to do with the Federal gov't. establishing a state church.

You are right, it matters not a whit why you may propose any specific legislation. You can propose it because you think your cat told you. However, I was not intending to refer to your reasons for proposing such legislation, I was intending to refer to the reasons that the legislators have for passing such laws. If the only reasons for enacting a law are religious, then the law should not be passed, even if a simple majority of citizens are for it.

[East of Eden]

First tell me is you want to 'discriminate' against three or more people who want to marry?

First explain how this is not a red herring. One's position on marriages being extended beyond two is in no way dependent on one's position of the genders acceptable to marriage. If the reasons for objecting to multiple marriage are solely religious, then its prohibition should not be a matter of state law.

It shows your 'inconsistency', as I have been accused of. Once again, one's reasons for objecting to any public policy are their own business, and has nothing to do with the Federal gov't. establishing a state church.

You are right, it matters not a whit why you may propose any specific legislation. You can propose it because you think your cat told you. However, I was not intending to refer to your reasons for proposing such legislation, I was intending to refer to the reasons that the legislators have for passing such laws. If the only reasons for enacting a law are religious, then the law should not be passed, even if a simple majority of citizens are for it.

Why are religiously motivated votes less valid than those cast by whatever motivates atheists?