Islam says Jesus was not crucified

[cholland]

Surah 4:157 - And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.

Is this true of Muslims? Jesus was not crucified?

[McCulloch]

I thought that this was quite well known.

According to Islamic texts, Jesus was neither killed nor crucified, but rather he was raised alive up to heaven. Islamic traditions narrate that he will return to Earth near the day of judgment to restore justice and defeat al-Masīḥ ad-Dajj�l (lit. "the false messiah", also known as the Antichrist). Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered to have been a Muslim, as he preached for people to adopt the straight path in submission to God's will. Islam rejects that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God, stating that he was a mortal man who, like other prophets, had been divinely chosen to spread God's message. Islamic texts forbid the association of partners with God (shirk), emphasizing the notion of God's divine oneness (tawhīd). Numerous titles are given to Jesus in the Qur'an, such as al-Masīḥ ("the messiah; the anointed one" i.e. by means of blessings), although it does not correspond with the meaning accrued in Christian belief. Jesus is seen in Islam as a precursor to Muhammad, and is believed by Muslims to have foretold the latter's coming.

As far as I can tell, this point-of-view is common to all sects and variations of Islam.

[Apple Pie]

Surah 4:157 - And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.

Is this true of Muslims? Jesus was not crucified?

When asked about Jesus’ Crucifixion, Muslims will invariably reference one ayah from the Koran, to support their conviction.

Islam bases an entire doctrine regarding Jesus’ crucifixion & death upon the cross, on a single solitary Koranic ayah.

And in this single solitary ayah, the entire doctrine teeters upon the rendering of a single solitary word (wama) – which Islam has misinterpreted as a negative.


The correct rendering of this ayah is as thus…




وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول
الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن
الذين اختل�وا �يه ل�ي شك منه ما لهم به من علم
إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا

Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

4.157 And their saying: "Truly we killed The Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son, “allah's� messenger�, and that they killed him, and that they crucified him, and certainly they alike, and truly whom they differed in Him, certainly they (are) not in doubt from Him, on account of Him, from knowledge, except to follow the belief, and that they surely killed him.


To overcome the Muslim mindset, we need to first define the Arabic word that has been misinterpreted by Islam.

Here is the classic Arabic definition for "ma"...

ما = “ma�

“ma� definition:

Conjunctive pronoun. That; which; that which; whatsoever; what; as; as much; in such a manner as; as much as; as for as; any kind; when; how. Does not, as a rule, refer to reasonable things, but instances to the contrary sometimes occur. It is one of those particles, which, in conditional propositions, govern the verb in the conditional mood; it is frequently a mere expletive. It is also a negative adverb, Not; in general it denies a circumstance either present, or of past, but little remote from the present; it governs the attribute in the accusative, thus it is a negative particle when placed before the perfect as in 53.2; or before a pronoun as in 68.2; or before an demonstrative noun as in 12.31. The particle, when joined to the perfect, denies the past; when joined to the imperfect, the present.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3016
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 2, p. 300
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 523 - 524
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 135 - 136



As we can see below..."ma", when joined to "wa", is simply a filler-word in this ayah...


وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول
الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن
الذين اختل�وا �يه ل�ي شك منه ما لهم به من علم
إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا

Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

4.157 And their saying: "Certainly we killed The Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son, “allah's� messenger�, and that they killed him, and that they crucified him, and certainly they alike, and truly whom they differed in Him, certainly they (are) not in doubt from Him, on account of Him, from knowledge, except to follow the belief, and that they surely killed him.



As witnessed by the plethora of positives in this ayah, the conditional mood is only positive.

Couple this, to the very next ayah, as thus…



بل ر�عه الله إليه وكان الله عزيزا حكيما

Bal rafaAAahu Allahu ilayhi wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman

4.158 But “allah�, he raised Him to him, and “allah� mighty, wise.




4.157 & 4.158 tell us of its most likely Biblical source...


This One given to you by the before-determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you having taken by lawless hands, having crucified Him, you killed Him. But God raised Him up, loosing the throes of death, because it was not possible for Him to be held by it. (Act 2.23 - 24)


As we can see, 4.157 & 4.158 are simply parroting NT material...


Thus, context is clear that in 4.157 “wama� is simply governing the verb in the conditional mood – which is positive….NOT negative.


Further, rendering this Islamic one-hit-wonder ayah as a negative would force other Koranic ayahs into contradiction.



As further evidence that 4.157 confirms Jesus’ death upon the cross, all the Koranic crucifixion instances are shown here, which confirm that the Koran always describes a crucifixion event with complete certainty of death…



• 5.33…they will be crucified till death
• 7.124…I will surely crucify you till death
• 12.41…so will be crucified till death
• 20.71…and I will surely crucify you till death
• 26.49…and I will surely crucify you till death


Death through crucifixion is always mandated in the Koran.

Thus, there is no reason at all to believe that 4.157 would break this trend…



http://www.freeforum101.com/koranicbibl ... ranicbible

[TrueReligion]

The true crucifixtion is mentioned in detail here. which many christians agreed. and nowhere in bible is completly mentioned.
Infact bible cannot be authenticated, as its not words or writen by Jesus(pbuh) or either of his diciples.
Further, not even a single diciple was present at the moment. so all stories in bible is fake .

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

[Apple Pie]

The true crucifixtion is mentioned in detail here. which many christians agreed. and nowhere in bible is completly mentioned.
Infact bible cannot be authenticated, as its not words or writen by Jesus(pbuh) or either of his diciples.
Further, not even a single diciple was present at the moment. so all stories in bible is fake .

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

The Koran disagrees with islam...

Sura 86 is s treasure trove of Koranic information relating to Jesus’ crucifixion until death upon the cross and His subsequent singular resurrection.

We find this information contained in 86.5 – 86.8, as thus…


86.5 So, the human looks upon that which was created the inner man. (The reason for the gathering of the souls: Jesus is viewed upon the Cross)

86.6 The inner man was created out of water pouring forth at once. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & death upon the Cross)

86.7 He emerges from amidst the Cross and the grave. Or…86.7 He emerges from between the backbone and the ribs. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & Resurrection)

86.8 Truly Him above, He returned Him to the present state of existence after death, truly possessing power. (Jesus’ Singular Resurrection)

[TrueReligion]

The true crucifixtion is mentioned in detail here. which many christians agreed. and nowhere in bible is completly mentioned.
Infact bible cannot be authenticated, as its not words or writen by Jesus(pbuh) or either of his diciples.
Further, not even a single diciple was present at the moment. so all stories in bible is fake .

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

The Koran disagrees with islam...

Sura 86 is s treasure trove of Koranic information relating to Jesus’ crucifixion until death upon the cross and His subsequent singular resurrection.

We find this information contained in 86.5 – 86.8, as thus…


86.5 So, the human looks upon that which was created the inner man. (The reason for the gathering of the souls: Jesus is viewed upon the Cross)

86.6 The inner man was created out of water pouring forth at once. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & death upon the Cross)

86.7 He emerges from amidst the Cross and the grave. Or…86.7 He emerges from between the backbone and the ribs. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & Resurrection)

86.8 Truly Him above, He returned Him to the present state of existence after death, truly possessing power. (Jesus’ Singular Resurrection)

Quran disagrees with Islam, are u in your sense? Quran is revealed to Muhammad, who was muslim, and it is agaist Islam?

Y you have the habbit of quoting wrong translation of Quran again and again , if you dont know, ask some1, and use authentic source, you never put your source, andd keep on putting statements totaly against Quran, I told you it will be reported as an offense now.

Chapter-86 describe the creation of men, and the star. if you dont know arabic, thn quote anymmore Quran in wrong way.

86 AT-TARIQ - MORNINGSTAR
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
By the heaven and by the morning star (visitant by night) ,[1] and what will explain to
you what the visitant by night is?[2] It is the star of piercing brightness.[3] (Just as
Allah Almighty is taking care of each star in the galaxies, similarly) over each soul
there is an appointed guardian angel.[4] Let man consider from what he is
created![5] He is created from an emitted fluid[6] that is produced from between the
loins and the ribs.[7] Surely He, the Creator, has the power to bring him back to
life,[8] on the Day when the hidden secrets will be brought to scrutiny,[9] then he will
have neither power of his own nor any helper to save him from the punishment of
Allah.[10] By the sky which sends down rain[11] and by the earth which is ever
bursting with new growth;[12] surely this Qur’an is a decisive word,[13] and it is no
joke.[14] These unbelievers of Mecca are plotting a scheme:[15] and I, too, am
plotting a scheme.[16] Therefore, leave the unbelievers alone. Leave them alone for
a while.[17] 86:[1-17]

[TrueReligion]

The true crucifixtion is mentioned in detail here. which many christians agreed. and nowhere in bible is completly mentioned.
Infact bible cannot be authenticated, as its not words or writen by Jesus(pbuh) or either of his diciples.
Further, not even a single diciple was present at the moment. so all stories in bible is fake .

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

The Koran disagrees with islam...

Sura 86 is s treasure trove of Koranic information relating to Jesus’ crucifixion until death upon the cross and His subsequent singular resurrection.

We find this information contained in 86.5 – 86.8, as thus…


86.5 So, the human looks upon that which was created the inner man. (The reason for the gathering of the souls: Jesus is viewed upon the Cross)

86.6 The inner man was created out of water pouring forth at once. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & death upon the Cross)

86.7 He emerges from amidst the Cross and the grave. Or…86.7 He emerges from between the backbone and the ribs. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & Resurrection)

86.8 Truly Him above, He returned Him to the present state of existence after death, truly possessing power. (Jesus’ Singular Resurrection)

You were asked to provide justification of crucifixion of Jesus, as per the detail provided in link. If you dont have answer, just tell or keep silent, dont skip the question as always

[Apple Pie]

Quran disagrees with Islam, are u in your sense? Quran is revealed to Muhammad, who was muslim, and it is agaist Islam?

The Koran never once says that it was revealed to anyone named "Muhammad".

You have already been asked to show the exact location in the Koran, for any such statement, and have repeatedly failed each and every time....

Y you have the habbit of quoting wrong translation of Quran again and again , if you dont know, ask some1, and use authentic source, you never put your source, andd keep on putting statements totaly against Quran, I told you it will be reported as an offense now.

We use the original Arabic...is this source not authentic enough?

Chapter-86 describe the creation of men, and the star. if you dont know arabic, thn quote anymmore Quran in wrong way.

How many stars do you know that are sworn by and then worshiped as deity?

Now...either this is no ordinary star, or your book of faith is rooted in the worship of celestial bodies.

[Apple Pie]

The true crucifixtion is mentioned in detail here. which many christians agreed. and nowhere in bible is completly mentioned.
Infact bible cannot be authenticated, as its not words or writen by Jesus(pbuh) or either of his diciples.
Further, not even a single diciple was present at the moment. so all stories in bible is fake .

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

The Koran disagrees with islam...

Sura 86 is s treasure trove of Koranic information relating to Jesus’ crucifixion until death upon the cross and His subsequent singular resurrection.

We find this information contained in 86.5 – 86.8, as thus…


86.5 So, the human looks upon that which was created the inner man. (The reason for the gathering of the souls: Jesus is viewed upon the Cross)

86.6 The inner man was created out of water pouring forth at once. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & death upon the Cross)

86.7 He emerges from amidst the Cross and the grave. Or…86.7 He emerges from between the backbone and the ribs. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & Resurrection)

86.8 Truly Him above, He returned Him to the present state of existence after death, truly possessing power. (Jesus’ Singular Resurrection)

You were asked to provide justification of crucifixion of Jesus, as per the detail provided in link. If you dont have answer, just tell or keep silent, dont skip the question as always

A link for a link...

Here is one that provides a 200+ page detailed exegesis as to why the koran confirms Jesus' crucifixion until death upon the cross...

http://www.freeforum101.com/koranicbibl ... ranicbible

[Goat]

The true crucifixtion is mentioned in detail here. which many christians agreed. and nowhere in bible is completly mentioned.
Infact bible cannot be authenticated, as its not words or writen by Jesus(pbuh) or either of his diciples.
Further, not even a single diciple was present at the moment. so all stories in bible is fake .

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

The Koran disagrees with islam...

Sura 86 is s treasure trove of Koranic information relating to Jesus’ crucifixion until death upon the cross and His subsequent singular resurrection.

We find this information contained in 86.5 – 86.8, as thus…


86.5 So, the human looks upon that which was created the inner man. (The reason for the gathering of the souls: Jesus is viewed upon the Cross)

86.6 The inner man was created out of water pouring forth at once. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & death upon the Cross)

86.7 He emerges from amidst the Cross and the grave. Or…86.7 He emerges from between the backbone and the ribs. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & Resurrection)

86.8 Truly Him above, He returned Him to the present state of existence after death, truly possessing power. (Jesus’ Singular Resurrection)

You were asked to provide justification of crucifixion of Jesus, as per the detail provided in link. If you dont have answer, just tell or keep silent, dont skip the question as always

A link for a link...

Here is one that provides a 200+ page detailed exegesis as to why the koran confirms Jesus' crucifixion until death upon the cross...

http://www.freeforum101.com/koranicbibl ... ranicbible

What a load of utter nonsense and stupitidy. It is taking just a few words that were very common to use as poetic devices, and arbitrarily assigning them to mean Jesus. "The bright morning star" is also used for Lucifier in Isaiah , so does that mean Jesus is Satan?