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Muslims worship Muhammad…

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OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua‘ in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua‘, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God’s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don’t let the title fool you — he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre–history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally–accepted views on Islamic ‘history’):
While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.


I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well–written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses:
Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped… The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as ‘blasphemy’ — surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).
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Ok, just to make you happy, we assume you brought evidence, may I see what it is?
Beats me, you keep saying I don't bring evidence but lately you said I didn't bring evidence until now so it is you saying I have brought evidence and as such you should know what that is.

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Wyvern wrote:
Ok, just to make you happy, we assume you brought evidence, may I see what it is?
Beats me, you keep saying I don't bring evidence but lately you said I didn't bring evidence until now so it is you saying I have brought evidence and as such you should know what that is.
You seems to be having lack of understand, i said "just to make you happy, we assume you brought evidence" assume means imaginary :P and its just to make you happy, not in real ofcourse.
ANYWAY, as you claim you have evidence, y not show to us?
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)

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TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Ok, just to make you happy, we assume you brought evidence, may I see what it is?
Beats me, you keep saying I don't bring evidence but lately you said I didn't bring evidence until now so it is you saying I have brought evidence and as such you should know what that is.
You seems to be having lack of understand, i said "just to make you happy, we assume you brought evidence" assume means imaginary :P and its just to make you happy, not in real ofcourse.
ANYWAY, as you claim you have evidence, y not show to us?
No, it is you that has claimed I have evidence and as such you have to supply it.
So Sorry, but you failed here once again, as you never could produce any single evidence till now.
This is your quote, you claim I have brought evidence which you did not refute which means you admit muslims worship mohammed. If you want to rescind what you said you will have to refute the evidence you claimed I brought.

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Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Ok, just to make you happy, we assume you brought evidence, may I see what it is?
Beats me, you keep saying I don't bring evidence but lately you said I didn't bring evidence until now so it is you saying I have brought evidence and as such you should know what that is.
You seems to be having lack of understand, i said "just to make you happy, we assume you brought evidence" assume means imaginary :P and its just to make you happy, not in real ofcourse.
ANYWAY, as you claim you have evidence, y not show to us?
No, it is you that has claimed I have evidence and as such you have to supply it.

I never said you brought any evidence, if you have brought ever, show us here please :whistle:

So Sorry, but you failed here once again, as you never could produce any single evidence till now.
This is your quote, you claim I have brought evidence which you did not refute which means you admit muslims worship mohammed. If you want to rescind what you said you will have to refute the evidence you claimed I brought.
So you accept that you never brought any evidence, and never read the posts which are proving that you dont have any evidence, sorry Wyvern, but its all you said and accepted here, That you dont have any evidence of what you claim.
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)

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I never said you brought any evidence, if you have brought ever, show us here please :whistle:
The quote below of yours states that I have brought evidence.
So Sorry, but you failed here once again, as you never could produce any single evidence till now.
So you accept that you never brought any evidence, and never read the posts which are proving that you dont have any evidence, sorry Wyvern, but its all you said and accepted here, That you dont have any evidence of what you claim.
It is you that said I have brought evidence and I accept your statement as being true.

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Wyvern wrote:
I never said you brought any evidence, if you have brought ever, show us here please :whistle:
The quote below of yours states that I have brought evidence.
So Sorry, but you failed here once again, as you never could produce any single evidence till now.
So you accept that you never brought any evidence, and never read the posts which are proving that you dont have any evidence, sorry Wyvern, but its all you said and accepted here, That you dont have any evidence of what you claim.
It is you that said I have brought evidence and I accept your statement as being true.
All my statements are clearly saying that you never brought any evidence to support your proof :lol: if you would have any, you should have bring here, rather than making fun out here :P
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)

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I never said you brought any evidence, if you have brought ever, show us here please :whistle:
The quote below of yours states that I have brought evidence.
So Sorry, but you failed here once again, as you never could produce any single evidence till now.
Stop contradicting yourself.
All my statements are clearly saying that you never brought any evidence to support your proof :lol: if you would have any, you should have bring here, rather than making fun out here
Going by your overuse of emoticons I'd say the only person trying to be funny is you. You have clearly stated that I have brought evidence. If you want to call yourself a liar that's none of my business.

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Wyvern wrote: Stop contradicting yourself.
Please, bring any evidence, if you are true to your words, you should have shown some evidence till now :lol:
All my statements are clearly saying that you never brought any evidence to support your proof :lol: if you would have any, you should have bring here, rather than making fun out here
Going by your overuse of emoticons I'd say the only person trying to be funny is you. You have clearly stated that I have brought evidence. If you want to call yourself a liar that's none of my business.[/quote]

You are calling me a liar, which means that you change your words again O:) Sorry Wyvern, this clearly shows that you dont have any evidence to support your claim.
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)

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Wyvern wrote: Stop contradicting yourself.
Please, bring any evidence, if you are true to your words, you should have shown some evidence till now :lol:
According to you I have brought evidence.
Going by your overuse of emoticons I'd say the only person trying to be funny is you. You have clearly stated that I have brought evidence. If you want to call yourself a liar that's none of my business.
You are calling me a liar, which means that you change your words again O:) Sorry Wyvern, this clearly shows that you dont have any evidence to support your claim.
I am not calling you a liar you are doing that to yourself, which according to your logic means you don't have any evidence to support your claims. You have made two contradictory statements so only one can be true.

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Wyvern wrote:
Wyvern wrote: Stop contradicting yourself.
Please, bring any evidence, if you are true to your words, you should have shown some evidence till now :lol:
According to you I have brought evidence.
Going by your overuse of emoticons I'd say the only person trying to be funny is you. You have clearly stated that I have brought evidence. If you want to call yourself a liar that's none of my business.
You are calling me a liar, which means that you change your words again O:) Sorry Wyvern, this clearly shows that you dont have any evidence to support your claim.
I am not calling you a liar you are doing that to yourself, which according to your logic means you don't have any evidence to support your claims. You have made two contradictory statements so only one can be true.
Common Wyvern, be brave to accept your defeat here now O:) till now so many posts you are runing without giving any claim and evidence, if you dont have, accept it and no1 will say anything. O:)
Ok I will give you last try, bring evidence of your claim, which you are making since long time :whistle:
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)

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