What's the deal with sex, hmm?

[TheParticlePerson]

Why must people have this aversion to sexual imagery in the media? I hear complaints about youth being desensitized, well, so? So my question, which is posed to anybody who thinks sex shouldn't be made public in any way, is why not?

[FinalEnigma]

I happen to know a guy who was a porn actor for a while with his wife. I haven't, of course, looked at any of the stuff they did(I don't like porn and he would probably think it was really weird anyway) so I couldn't name it.
They are actually both very religious Christians as well.

But to the point - who is harmed by this? What's the negative - she gets pregnant? they want a child anyway. I'm sure they didn't see it as objectionable for people to watch the videos, or they wouldn't have done it.

Modesty is good,

Why? What benefit do we actually derive from modesty? and why are people only modest with the opposite gender?(you know they are. ever been to a locker room?) I've never understood that one.

[melikio]

...Why? What benefit do we actually derive from modesty? and why are people only modest with the opposite gender?(you know they are. ever been to a locker room?) I've never understood that one.

I think that some people DO NOT enjoy the naked human body as others might. And to be honest, while I don't see nakedness as a bad thing I don't really want to see it all the time... (and some people I probably NEVER want to see naked).

[FinalEnigma]

...Why? What benefit do we actually derive from modesty? and why are people only modest with the opposite gender?(you know they are. ever been to a locker room?) I've never understood that one.

I think that some people DO NOT enjoy the naked human body as others might. And to be honest, while I don't see nakedness as a bad thing I don't really want to see it all the time... (and some people I probably NEVER want to see naked).

May I ask why?

I'm afraid I still don't understand. I have a neurodevelopmental disorder you see, and some things I don't see the same way as normals, or understand why they see them the way they do.

on a side note, Have you ever been to a nudist resort? I haven't, but I'm curious what you would think of the nudity there.

I also don't understand people explicitly not wanting to see a person naked. I mean, I suppose normals derive pleasure from seeing attractive people naked, but do you derive negative pleasure from unattractive people?
I've never seen something that the appearance of(rather than the idea, such as extremely morally offensive things) actually negatively affected me or displeased me. This does actually happen?

[Flashpoint]

Modesty is good, but we are certainly uptight about sex and nudity in our society. (I think it's not completely healthy.)

I can see no logical reason why modisty could be of any value to society.

I think that some people DO NOT enjoy the naked human body as others might. And to be honest, while I don't see nakedness as a bad thing I don't really want to see it all the time... (and some people I probably NEVER want to see naked).

So if you dislike someone's body they should cover up? By that logic ugly people should wear bags over their heads.

Why would it bother you if everybody was naked, does it affect you directly?

[McCulloch]

Why would it bother you if everybody was naked, does it affect you directly?

Brrr.

Toronto Weather

[FinalEnigma]

Why would it bother you if everybody was naked, does it affect you directly?

Brrr.

Toronto Weather

Indeed, you get a pass on that one.

I doubt you'd want that kind of frostbite...

[melikio]

May I ask why?

My view, is because clothes have more than just a single function. And some times/places, nakedness just isn't appropriate or efficacious .

I'm afraid I still don't understand. I have a neurodevelopmental disorder you see, and some things I don't see the same way as normals, or understand why they see them the way they do.

I'll try, but there will not be any guarantees you'll agree completely with me. You may not see things my way or this society's way.

on a side note, Have you ever been to a nudist resort? I haven't, but I'm curious what you would think of the nudity there.

My first consideration would be hygiene; that the "nakedness" was or was not contributing to various health concerns. That to me, is a most important consideration. Clothing 'retains' certain residual bodily-fluids, which from some people could spread diseases they might be carrying. And if all people are clothed, there is a reduced likelihood that such 'fluids' or contaminated surfaces would be transferred from one person to the next.

Then again, one residing within a nudist colony could consider that risk beforehand. I'm not saying that serious disease would necessarily be spread, but that there may be some increased risks to consider overall.

I also don't understand people explicitly not wanting to see a person naked. I mean, I suppose normals derive pleasure from seeing attractive people naked, but do you derive negative pleasure from unattractive people?

You have to be HONEST about that which does or doesn't turn you on/off. Myself for example... I'm sure there are some things about my body that many people DO NOT find attractive... or might not want to see when they are eating dinner or studying college work.... etc.

We may not all agree upon the exact times, but there ARE times where clothing being worn is in the best interests of others; not merely ourselves. Sex is fine with me, and I know what turns me on/off. Even so, anyone residing in a nudist colony should know what to expect, where all of this is concerned. I surely get horny at times... and personally I don't want everyone to SEE that is the case.

I've never seen something that the appearance of (rather than the idea, such as extremely morally offensive things) actually negatively affected me or displeased me. This does actually happen?

A lot of it depends upon the sensibilities that were instilled as we were being nurtured; but often times it is a matter of comfort or preference. Most people know what they like and don't like; and clothing provides OPTIONS that sheer nakedness doesn't.

[FinalEnigma]

May I ask why?

My view, is because clothes have more than just a single function. And some times/places, nakedness just isn't appropriate or efficacious .

May I ask for examples?

I'm afraid I still don't understand. I have a neurodevelopmental disorder you see, and some things I don't see the same way as normals, or understand why they see them the way they do.

I'll try, but there will not be any guarantees you'll agree completely with me. You may not see things my way or this society's way.

on a side note, Have you ever been to a nudist resort? I haven't, but I'm curious what you would think of the nudity there.

My first consideration would be hygiene; that the "nakedness" was or was not contributing to various health concerns. That to me, is a most important consideration. Clothing 'retains' certain residual bodily-fluids, which from some people could spread diseases they might be carrying. And if all people are clothed, there is a reduced likelihood that such 'fluids' or contaminated surfaces would be transferred from one person to the next.

Then again, one residing within a nudist colony could consider that risk beforehand. I'm not saying that serious disease would necessarily be spread, but that there may be some increased risks to consider overall.

I can understand that objection. However, I would note that nudist resorts generally require one to carry around a towel, for multiple reason, so people wouldn't be sitting on benches and stuff without sitting on the towel.

I also don't understand people explicitly not wanting to see a person naked. I mean, I suppose normals derive pleasure from seeing attractive people naked, but do you derive negative pleasure from unattractive people?

You have to be HONEST about that which does or doesn't turn you on/off. Myself for example... I'm sure there are some things about my body that many people DO NOT find attractive... or might not want to see when they are eating dinner or studying college work.... etc.

We may not all agree upon the exact times, but there ARE times where clothing being worn is in the best interests of others; not merely ourselves. Sex is fine with me, and I know what turns me on/off. Even so, anyone residing in a nudist colony should know what to expect, where all of this is concerned. I surely get horny at times... and personally I don't want everyone to SEE that is the case.

That's another reason why you carry a towel about. its generally considered rather rude to not cover up in such circumstances. However, it is not nearly as much of an issue as you would think(I haven't been to such places, but I've read a couple websites out of curiosity). Further, people aren't going to be staring at your crotch anyway - its not considered appropriate when you are wearing clothes, why would it be so when your not?

I've never seen something that the appearance of (rather than the idea, such as extremely morally offensive things) actually negatively affected me or displeased me. This does actually happen?

A lot of it depends upon the sensibilities that were instilled as we were being nurtured; but often times it is a matter of comfort or preference. Most people know what they like and don't like; and clothing provides OPTIONS that sheer nakedness doesn't.

Yes, clothing gives you additional options, however, it also serves to help form cliques. people use clothing to distinguish themselves from others, or to show off how much money they make, etc. This doesn't work when you're naked.

[melikio]

May I ask for examples?...

Good questions and logical responses from you. But I have to sum this up for now.

I generally agree with you as it pertains to nudist camps/resorts with reasonable and effective rules and practices. But nudity in-public at large, includes issues which must be addressed... because problems would surely ensue.

While I'm not against nudity or sexual-freedom being expressed, there are some advantages to wearing clothing, that should not (in the very practical sense) be ignored. As you pointed out, even the nudist facilities have certain rules and etiquette which should/must be observed. Most people thinking freely at higher levels... typically prefer behaviors to be more civilized than visceral.

I realize that public-nudity has been made taboo (or off-limits) via religion in many cases, and no... I don't always agree with the restrictions called-for by many who hold religious views. When I consider nudity, my primary concerns are focused upon people expressing mutual respect and overall hygiene. Maintaining that in a club or resort containing members who agree to certain sets of rules, allows open nudity to be manageable... but in society-at-large, the problems to be factored in would likely increase.

[FinalEnigma]

May I ask for examples?...

Good questions and logical responses from you. But I have to sum this up for now.

I generally agree with you as it pertains to nudist camps/resorts with reasonable and effective rules and practices. But nudity in-public at large, includes issues which must be addressed... because problems would surely ensue.

While I'm not against nudity or sexual-freedom being expressed, there are some advantages to wearing clothing, that should not (in the very practical sense) be ignored. As you pointed out, even the nudist facilities have certain rules and etiquette which should/must be observed. Most people thinking freely at higher levels... typically prefer behaviors to be more civilized than visceral.

I realize that public-nudity has been made taboo (or off-limits) via religion in many cases, and no... I don't always agree with the restrictions called-for by many who hold religious views. When I consider nudity, my primary concerns are focused upon people expressing mutual respect and overall hygiene. Maintaining that in a club or resort containing members who agree to certain sets of rules, allows open nudity to be manageable... but in society-at-large, the problems to be factored in would likely increase.

You've a good point there, and its certainly something to consider. If public nudity were to become widely commonplace, we'd have to figure out how to deal with it properly.

the only thing further I would like to point out is that in the world at large, we have rules of etiquette no different from what they have at nudist resorts. The particular rules are different yes, but only in the same way that etiquette rules are different in different cultures - its nothing incredible or mysterious. for many people, it would be strange getting used to these new rules - they would have to learn a bit - but there's not very many, and it's no different for me in normal society.

did you know that you need to make eye contact with someone you are speaking to between 30 and 60% of the time? more and they think you're aggressive or attracted to them(depending on gender), less and they think you're extremely shy or lying. I had to learn that. there's more rules and strange etiquette to learn to be a part of normal society than there is to enter into a new society - or a nudist resort.