Morality vs. Deity 2: Inverse Iteration Edition

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Morality vs. Deity 2: Inverse Iteration Edition

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A god has appeared to you, and has some orders for you...

First commandment: Dig deep into the earth, and into your stores, and bring unto me the black gold your society has idolised, I shall grant it redemption.

How do you interpret this new commandment, what does it mean to you, and would you follow it?

Second commandment: One must not ever breech the most sacred of grounds without first doffing thy earthly shrouds, and anointing thyself as thou have arrived in this world, and indeed how thou shall enter the kingdom of heaven.

Same questions as the first.

Third commandment: Love thy neighbours as thou might love thyself, be they of any race, class, species, gender, or spiritual path for they are all my children, and thus your siblings.

Again same questions, assume that all of them should be answered the same way, unless otherwise noted.

Fourth commandment: One must cast aside all things not of my design.

Fifth, and final commandment: Strive always to be as a bird in spring, as an ember in winter, a rake in autumn, and a cool breeze in summer.

I am not trying to be offensive, or to bash any religions, I just want to know A: how you would react to these, if say your god came to you, or if you're an atheist A god appeared to you, and somehow proved that it was a god, and presented you with orders.

B: How you feel about these commandments, and what they mean to you... by the way these commandments are based on some religious, and spiritual poems that I found on a website a while back and wrote down because they spoke to me.

And C: How, and if these would change your life.

Again, don't read too much into my motivations here, I'm just bored, and thought this would be a fun way to spend my free time.

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I really love this question, honestly. I'll go ahead and give you my opinion :D
A god has appeared to you, and has some orders for you...

I'd have to say that I would no longer be Agnostic.
First commandment: Dig deep into the earth, and into your stores, and bring unto me the black gold your society has idolised, I shall grant it redemption.
Treasure nature as He originally brought it. No industrializing, no cars, no factories etc.
Second commandment: One must not ever breech the most sacred of grounds without first doffing thy earthly shrouds, and anointing thyself as thou have arrived in this world, and indeed how thou shall enter the kingdom of heaven.
One must not walk into Heaven without cleansing his/her soul. We must leave as we came.

Third commandment: Love thy neighbours as thou might love thyself, be they of any race, class, species, gender, or spiritual path for they are all my children, and thus your siblings.
Everyone should be treated equally, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, and human or animal. Everyone was given birth under one God therefore everyone is the same.
Fourth commandment: One must cast aside all things not of my design.
Anything man-made should be destroyed.
Fifth, and final commandment: Strive always to be as a bird in spring, as an ember in winter, a rake in autumn, and a cool breeze in summer.
Be the best you could possibly be.
I especially like the "an ember in winter" line. Its really saying that you need to be out of the group and a noncomformist[sp?]

This type of religion sounds to be a sort of Pantheistic view on the world.

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Interesting... I always took the ember in winter thing as being caring, or comforting, but now I see the hot thing in a cold place imagery clearly.

Fascinating how people interpret things differently isn't it?

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This seems more like a discussion question than one for the debate forum, but it's interesting so I'll humor you ;)
Firstly, I’d be working off the assumption that God is all-knowing, thus whatever I ended up doing is what God intended me to end up doing, as otherwise God is a horrible communicator.
Tuddrussell wrote: First commandment: Dig deep into the earth, and into your stores, and bring unto me the black gold your society has idolised, I shall grant it redemption.
My response: So you’re saying I should’ve been a petroleum engineer? Because if you’re really wanting me to get oil for you to redeem you’re going to have to point out where you want me to dig.
Though perhaps this is another way of saying he’d show me some way to use petroleum in a more constructive manner, like a new type of plastic.
Without more information it would be rather hard to act on this commandment.
Tuddrussell wrote: Second commandment: One must not ever breech the most sacred of grounds without first doffing thy earthly shrouds, and anointing thyself as thou have arrived in this world, and indeed how thou shall enter the kingdom of heaven.
These seems more of a “so once you die I’d rather you not be carrying any garbage with ya’� type of thing. A spiritual cleansing of sorts. Perhaps through asking forgiveness for one’s sins.
Tuddrussell wrote: Third commandment: Love thy neighbours as thou might love thyself, be they of any race, class, species, gender, or spiritual path for they are all my children, and thus your siblings.
I would take this to mean along the lines of treating people how I would hope to be treated if I were in the same situation. I try to do this to the best of my ability, though I’m sure I fail plenty often.
Tuddrussell wrote:Fourth commandment: One must cast aside all things not of my design.
The very fabric of reality is of your design…so you’re going to have to be a little more specific as to what you want me to cast off.
Tuddrussell wrote:Fifth, and final commandment: Strive always to be as a bird in spring, as an ember in winter, a rake in autumn, and a cool breeze in summer.
So try my best to bring people joy, warmth, help, and relief. I try to do these things, but again, could definitely do better I’m sure.
Other than the first one I’m not sure how most of these would change my life except trying harder at what I already do. But presumably it would change it in some way or God probably wouldn’t have bothered doing it in the first place.
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