Is the truth about a Yeshu known?

[gawsh_eemahm_goowah]

Is the truth about a Yeshu born to a Mahreeyush and a Yusef duh Arimethea known? What are the facts? Are the statements that follow known by people to be facts? Debate!

Once, while on Mount Sinai, Yeshu prayed a prayer that went like, “Our Abba (inspired by ‘Appa’, ‘uppy’ in Greek, a language of learning) You are above heaven the sky. Give us this day Manna (bread from Exodus), and forgive us for submitting to temptations, doing evil; meanwhile let and help us forgive other human people for submitting to temptation when striking against us. Lead us not into exile and deliver us from “sorcerahss� (“foul magic�). For thine is forever the Power and the Magic Highest. Amen. (meaning “So let it be� in Hebrah or Hebrew).� People heard it, relayed what he said, and an account of it is in Matthew chapter 6, called “The Lord’s Prayer� by some groups of people. Yeshu was born in an inn, not a stable, in 2 B.C.. Men attended his birth called “Magi� or “Melchizadeks�. Some brought gifts such as gold. Yeshu was a holy spokesman and Palestinean revolutionary against Roman control. He was slain in battle by a sword; not hung on a cross. Many of the events in the New Testament gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are fictional, such as walking on water. He did change water to wine somehow, under logical influence, and performed other magical wonders, some of which are recorded elsewhere than the Bible. The Beatitudes of Matthew were teachings of his he gave people, sometimes as they went off to fight for freedom. “You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind,� is from Yeshu, and based on Deuteronomy. “Love your neighbor as yourself� in the New Testament was a twisted deviation coming from Yeshu’s teaching to “Love others with full intent.� The Golden Rule was something common then — essentially, “Do unto others as you would have them done unto you, for such is the law of love.� The parable of the mustard seed (saying to have a little faith) is of Yeshu, as the parable of the sower (fruit comes out of good soil once seeded). The parable saying to let the weeds and the wheat grow together was taught by Yeshu, unfortunately, leading to the world today some. The parable of the workers payed the same amount despite of what time in the day they were hired on to work is not one of Yeshu’s teachings. The parable of the workers in the vineyard being slain (against corruption among and by creatures of creation) was taught by Yeshu. The parable of the wedding feast, in which good and bad people alike are invited after the first invited decline, is not of Yeshu, but the parable of the feast in which common people at disadvantages are selected to attend, materially wealthier comparts ditching out is. The parable of the 10 bridesmaids with oil for lamps, some wise, some foolish, was not Yeshu’s; Yeshu like one-to-one marital partnership. The parable of the 3 servants given coins to invest was Yeshu’s teaching, something he would say to missionaries of Palestine for “Yallah�. The story about the Son of Man sorting the sheep from the goats at the final reckoning and helping the least worthily was not from Yeshu. The parable of the good Samaritan, while a nice story, was not something Yeshu applied to illustrate generosity and accepting foreigners. The parable about going through the gate of a sheepfold (meaning toward the logical source above) rather than over the wall was of Yeshu. The parable of the rich fool who died while endeavoring building expansion, who said, “Eat, drink, and be merry!� was taught by Yeshu. There is parable about watchful servants waiting for their master to return which is not Yeshu, nor is the advice that follows. The parable of the unproductive fig tree that was not cut down and instead given another season for quality results is not of Yeshu. The combination of parables about one lost sheep, one lost coin, and one want only lost child returned, in Luke 15, were related by Yeshu. The story claiming that “the citizens of this world are more shrewd than the godly are� goes against every grain of teaching by Yeshu. The story of the rich man and the beggar reversing places more or less in afterlife, the formerly poor comforted and the rich in agony. The parable of the servant who would not forgiven when forgiven greatly, so infinitely forgive was not of Yeshu. No, you shouldn’t instead. The story of the widow who pleaded repeatedly to an evil judge who eventually listened and served justice came after Yeshu’s death and he liked it some. Should he be “psychologically divided�? The story of the self-righteous Pharisee and the dishonest but penitent tax collector praying in the temple, the one pridefully and the other beating his chest in shame, came from Yeshu mostly. There are other stories of Yeshu recorded elsewhere than in the standard Bible. After he died, a crown of thorny mesh made of a plant called “spikka� was placed on his head. They he said was “King of Yiddah (Judea)�. Yusef duh Aramathea was Yeshu’s father, a fabric merchant and severe heretic who purchased Yeshu’s burial cloth, the “Shroud of Turin�. People prayed that God, using different names, would save Yeshu. His body disappeared, leaving the image on the shroud fot people to see. Today, it is a relic held by members of the Roman Catholic Church, heretics — all of them — under control of (Vatican) “Hilltop� and the Papacy.

Like I said, is the truth about a Yeshu born to a Mahreeyush and a Yusef duh Arimethea known? Are the statements above known by people to be facts? Debate!

Gawsh Eemahm Goowah
Kenneth Andrew Wood (a.k.a. "Pipe")

[McCulloch]

Is the truth about a Yeshu born to a Mahreeyush and a Yusef duh Arimethea known? What are the facts? Are the statements that follow known by people to be facts? Debate!

Is there some reason why you choose to use the less familiar Hebrew names in an English web site rather than the more familiar Anglicized versions of the same names?
I was unaware that Jesus' father, Joseph and Joseph of Arimethea (Yusef duh Arimethea) have been demonstrated to be the same fellow.

Yeshu was born in an inn, not a stable, in 2 B.C..

Not that it matters too much to me, but please do show your sources for this bit of information

Men attended his birth called “Magi� or “Melchizadeks�.

Do you have a source of information that justifies equating the Magi with Melchizadek?

Yeshu [...] was slain in battle by a sword; not hung on a cross.

Source please.

There are other stories of Yeshu recorded elsewhere than in the standard Bible.

Please cite such sources and explain why they are reliable sources of accurate information.

[gawsh_eemahm_goowah]

So that it be known, my source for all data is the logical source above; also the soul of the Yeshu of whom I speak, some; and the soul of the Mahreeush of whom I speak, some; plus other people, some living in carnal format now.

Other facts about the Yeshu of whom I speak include:

Yeshu travelled some on the “Spice Road�, a major trade route, to India and toward China, bringing “Taoism� (called “the Way�) to Palestine.

and

Yeshu was not of Nazareth; Nazareth was a crime syndicate led by some pseudo-Nazarines — insincere men with beards who grew their hair.

Dah Gawsh Eemahm Goowah
a.k.a. Kenneth Wood - Pipe

[Goat]

So that it be known, my source for all data is the logical source above; also the soul of the Yeshu of whom I speak, some; and the soul of the Mahreeush of whom I speak, some; plus other people, some living in carnal format now.

Other facts about the Yeshu of whom I speak include:

Yeshu travelled some on the “Spice Road�, a major trade route, to India and toward China, bringing “Taoism� (called “the Way�) to Palestine.

and

Yeshu was not of Nazareth; Nazareth was a crime syndicate led by some pseudo-Nazarines — insincere men with beards who grew their hair.

Dah Gawsh Eemahm Goowah
a.k.a. Kenneth Wood - Pipe

Making more unsupported claims do not support your original claims.

How about showing some sources, and reasons to accept those sources as being truthful and accurate.

[McCulloch]

So that it be known, my source for all data is the logical source above; also the soul of the Yeshu of whom I speak, some; and the soul of the Mahreeush of whom I speak, some; plus other people, some living in carnal format now.

OK, thanks. That is almost as good as, "I had a vision of the risen Lord on the road to Damascus. " On that basis, I'll grant you about as much credence as the apostle Paul, who likewise never met Jesus.

[gawsh_eemahm_goowah]

My source is the logical source above, also called "God" or "Allah" ("the origin" in Arabian).

And let me say . . .

1.) O Logical Source Above, Blessings Be, Not Curses — Amen!!! (English)
Oom Ahallah Fontah Keesahrah, Asheeyahn Hoh, Neekt Mooahn — Ahmehn!! (Arabian)
Oon Saynhah Padhah Hayah, Gootah Hah, Noonhah Sadhah — Aumahn!! (Cherokee)
Oo Ahallah Fowntan Nivahnhah, Goota Soh, Neeyet Coorndawns — Yes!! (Gayluhguh)
Oo Lowheehkus Fohnt Hayah, Bessess Boh, Neekt Mooneh — Thaynx!! (Congoese)
O Lowgahsheesch Soorzah Oobehr, Bessen Sayn — Nihkt Coorsen — Ahmehn!! (Deutsch)
O Lowjeekahl Fohntah Mahss Ahltah, Behndeegahss Ser, Noh Coorsahs — Ahmehn!! (Español)
Oo Lowghishah Goowah Ahpfehl, Sheeyah Soh, Nah Bahl — Ahmehn!! (Hebrayan)

2.) Morality Is Higher Than Thought. (English)
Ahallahss Hoh Ahpaya Meest. (Arabian)
Suyah Hoh Hayahpah Mehntay. (Cherokee)
Oomallah Soh Appeelah Soom Deenkin. (Gayluhguh)
Mohrahleesh Soh Hahpah Dahn Toh. (Congoese)
Mohrahliteesch Eest Oober Awss Kehnehn. (Deutsch)
Mohrahleedahd Ays Mahss Ahltah Kay Mehnteer. (Español)
Mohrahleesh Soh Ahpfehlah Shoowah. (Hebrayan)

3.) God Is Great Hope For Peace. (English)
Allah Hoo Ahkbahr Enshallah Ahsahlahm. (Arabian)
Oonehkwah Hah Grayss Neekah Ah Foordang. (Cherokee)
Gawtah Soh Grayss Yah Foor Sallahmah. (Gayluhguh)
Gawt Yoh Grayss Hohp Foor Sallam. (Congoese)
Gawt Eest Grayss Hohwahp Foor Pahss. (Deutsch)
Deeyohss Ays Grahndeh Ehspehrahnzah Pohr Pahss. (Español)
Yah Soh Graysh Hohp Fuhr Sahlahm. (Hebrayan)

Amen.

I think these saying might prove good for worlds of spiritual peace after considerable war. I know they work for me wonderfully.

[cnorman18]

My source is the logical source above, also called "God" or "Allah" ("the origin" in Arabian).

And let me say . . .

1.) O Logical Source Above, Blessings Be, Not Curses — Amen!!! (English)
Oom Ahallah Fontah Keesahrah, Asheeyahn Hoh, Neekt Mooahn — Ahmehn!! (Arabian)
Oon Saynhah Padhah Hayah, Gootah Hah, Noonhah Sadhah — Aumahn!! (Cherokee)
Oo Ahallah Fowntan Nivahnhah, Goota Soh, Neeyet Coorndawns — Yes!! (Gayluhguh)
Oo Lowheehkus Fohnt Hayah, Bessess Boh, Neekt Mooneh — Thaynx!! (Congoese)
O Lowgahsheesch Soorzah Oobehr, Bessen Sayn — Nihkt Coorsen — Ahmehn!! (Deutsch)
O Lowjeekahl Fohntah Mahss Ahltah, Behndeegahss Ser, Noh Coorsahs — Ahmehn!! (Español)
Oo Lowghishah Goowah Ahpfehl, Sheeyah Soh, Nah Bahl — Ahmehn!! (Hebrayan)

2.) Morality Is Higher Than Thought. (English)
Ahallahss Hoh Ahpaya Meest. (Arabian)
Suyah Hoh Hayahpah Mehntay. (Cherokee)
Oomallah Soh Appeelah Soom Deenkin. (Gayluhguh)
Mohrahleesh Soh Hahpah Dahn Toh. (Congoese)
Mohrahliteesch Eest Oober Awss Kehnehn. (Deutsch)
Mohrahleedahd Ays Mahss Ahltah Kay Mehnteer. (Español)
Mohrahleesh Soh Ahpfehlah Shoowah. (Hebrayan)

3.) God Is Great Hope For Peace. (English)
Allah Hoo Ahkbahr Enshallah Ahsahlahm. (Arabian)
Oonehkwah Hah Grayss Neekah Ah Foordang. (Cherokee)
Gawtah Soh Grayss Yah Foor Sallahmah. (Gayluhguh)
Gawt Yoh Grayss Hohp Foor Sallam. (Congoese)
Gawt Eest Grayss Hohwahp Foor Pahss. (Deutsch)
Deeyohss Ays Grahndeh Ehspehrahnzah Pohr Pahss. (Español)
Yah Soh Graysh Hohp Fuhr Sahlahm. (Hebrayan)

Amen.

I think these saying might prove good for worlds of spiritual peace after considerable war. I know they work for me wonderfully.

The value of any "sayings" is limited by their application.

Which is to say, sayings in themselves are worthless, no matter how many obscure languages you quote them in. You have to DO something.

Sorry. No one here has any reason to believe that God speaks to you any more than he speaks to any other person, unless you are prepared to prove it somehow. Your own personal beliefs are not relevant in a debate.

[stlekee]

You are falling into the same old mud puddle that everyone falls into who wants to 'prove' something unprovable through logic and reason. But your mind also has the intuitive, subjective side; and this is where faith and belief are known, not proven.
When I say 'I believe in God' it is something known to me to be true or I wouldn't believe it.

Religion can be torn apart by science, logic and reason - myth busting. But God is another issue. I can't measure that he is and you can't measure that he isn't. It boils down to this, is it possible, even just a tiny bit, that God is real? So if its remotely possible that God is real, what's the odds, the stats? In a universe as vast as ours, and all this stuff about what was before space/time, and all the unknowns, why not give God a chance?

I've been reading lots of posts one this site and it seems a lot of these discussions turn into 'prove it', that's not the 'truth'.

Here's something to think about. 200 years ago no one had the slightest idea about quantum mechanics. It was unknown; not a part of our reality. So did quantum mechanics exist? Was it true? Was it real? What was it before we knew of it? Was it nothing? Was it something? PROVE IT !! And there you have it.

[Jester]

Moderator Comment

My source is the logical source above, also called "God" or "Allah" ("the origin" in Arabian).

As per the rules, claims need to be supported with logic and evidence that can be verified by other members. Claiming any special connection to the divine, even if true, is outside the scope of this site.

And let me say . . .

Similarly, this is a debate forum, not a preaching forum. Please make and support claims. This is not really the place for suggestions for spiritual living.