Jesus the Muse

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Thoughts

Making the assumption that Jesus was a real person and lived within the times presented in the bible. Also assuming all the stories were true. Why would a man ( man/god whatever you choose ) of his influence not write?

After all, if the Christian message is really what were all supposed to believe in wouldnt it make sense for Jesus himself to want to spread the message and truth as much as possible with his own written word? If all of what was written is real why not it come from the individual himself?

Hypothetical here. Im God and I have some messages and things for my people to believe in. I for one will do my best and let it be known that what I say or try to present to my people is from me and the real deal, and not doing so would only lead those away from me.

That was me being god, just trying to give some sort of an example.

Your thoughts?

[EduChris]

...Hypothetical here. Im God and I have some messages and things for my people to believe in. I for one will do my best and let it be known that what I say or try to present to my people is from me and the real deal, and not doing so would only lead those away from me...

Does Obama type up his own public proclamations, or does he have someone else do that for him?

[Zzyzx]

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...Hypothetical here. Im God and I have some messages and things for my people to believe in. I for one will do my best and let it be known that what I say or try to present to my people is from me and the real deal, and not doing so would only lead those away from me...

Does Obama type up his own public proclamations, or does he have someone else do that for him?

Are you comparing Obama to the "god" worshiped by Christians? If so I AGREE -- incompetent to lead -- prone to mistakes -- poor communication skills without support from more capable people (teleprompter vs. bible) -- doesn't keep promises -- emphasizes war -- produces divisiveness.

[fewwillfindit]

Why would a man ( man/god whatever you choose ) of his influence not write?

...If all of what was written is real why not it come from the individual himself?

Your thoughts?

Years ago when he was still alive, my grandfather was fond of saying, "I'd rather see a sermon than hear one any day."

Jesus' ministry only lasted for 3 1/2 years. He accomplished a lot in that short amount of time, enough so that we are still here talking about Him today. Not just his followers, but his opponents and those who are ostensibly apathetic to His existence as well. It seems that He didn't need to write after all.

[Guest]

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...Hypothetical here. Im God and I have some messages and things for my people to believe in. I for one will do my best and let it be known that what I say or try to present to my people is from me and the real deal, and not doing so would only lead those away from me...

Does Obama type up his own public proclamations, or does he have someone else do that for him?

Are you comparing Obama to the "god" worshiped by Christians? If so I AGREE -- incompetent to lead -- prone to mistakes -- poor communication skills without support from more capable people (teleprompter vs. bible) -- doesn't keep promises -- emphasizes war -- produces divisiveness.

Now THAT is an awesome answer!!!

[EduChris]

...Now THAT is an awesome answer!!!

Was it an answer, or was it a non-sequitur wrapped in flame-bait?

Where is the evidence to suggest that competent heads of state type up their own public proclamations personally, whereas incompetent heads of state delegate the task to others?

[Zzyzx]

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...Now THAT is an awesome answer!!!

Was it an answer, or was it a non-sequitur wrapped in flame-bait?

I acknowledge that my comment was a bit "flammable" -- apologies to the Forum.

Where is the evidence to suggest that competent heads of state type up their own public proclamations personally, whereas incompetent heads of state delegate the task to others?

Such is the nature of "defense" of religious tales. The implication, it appears, is that if human heads of state employ speechwriters it is logical to assume that "god" (or Jesus, or Moses, or other religious character) could be expected to or excused from doing the same.

If "god" or Jesus are/were supernatural, it occurs to me that such proposed "divine" beings need not be limited to the communication abilities of unidentified people, apparently writing from hearsay, in a work that appears to cause more divisiveness than understanding.

[micatala]

Moderator Comment

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...Hypothetical here. Im God and I have some messages and things for my people to believe in. I for one will do my best and let it be known that what I say or try to present to my people is from me and the real deal, and not doing so would only lead those away from me...

Does Obama type up his own public proclamations, or does he have someone else do that for him?

Are you comparing Obama to the "god" worshiped by Christians? If so I AGREE -- incompetent to lead -- prone to mistakes -- poor communication skills without support from more capable people (teleprompter vs. bible) -- doesn't keep promises -- emphasizes war -- produces divisiveness.

Now THAT is an awesome answer!!!

Just a note that one-liners, especially just cheerleading like this, are against the rules.

[Confused]

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...Hypothetical here. Im God and I have some messages and things for my people to believe in. I for one will do my best and let it be known that what I say or try to present to my people is from me and the real deal, and not doing so would only lead those away from me...

Does Obama type up his own public proclamations, or does he have someone else do that for him?

Are you comparing Obama to the "god" worshiped by Christians? If so I AGREE -- incompetent to lead -- prone to mistakes -- poor communication skills without support from more capable people (teleprompter vs. bible) -- doesn't keep promises -- emphasizes war -- produces divisiveness.

Now THAT is an awesome answer!!!

Moderator Suggestion:

Please limit your responses to productive, civil debate. This one liner considered neither of these.

[JehovahsWitness]

. Why would a man ( man/god whatever you choose ) of his influence not write?

Why did Jesus not pen his own teachings?


The Hebrew tradition (like many other Middle Eastern and Africa traditions) had a firm foundation in orale transmission of information and as a public teacher and oritor Jesus no doubt knew his words would be recalled and recorded.

Jesus ministry was actually reletively short, just three and a half years. During this time he was constantly on the move, touring his entire home territories at least 3 times. His primary mission was not as a writer but as the Messiah, a Rabbi (teacher) and a model giver. Uniquely Jesus knew he had an eternity of time after his death and resurrection to oversee his "biography" and ensure that his teachings were accurately recorded and the message translated into a working model, so he concentrated on fulfilling the estimated 332 messianic prophecies he was commissioned to fulfil and living what needed to be seen to be believed rather than writing what he was doing.

Further, since none of the original writings survived to this day, there would be little significance in him personally writing an original anyway - it would still be the copies that could reach most people and extend into the modern age. Also, given peoples tendence to worship physical items, I hassard a guess that any letters or books written in his hand might well have pass from practical record to religious relic, thus providing one more "dungy idol" as the scriptures put it, something that would have been deeply displeasing to him.

So in the end, allowing eyewitness companions and faithful members of the Christian leadership to pen his teachings while he busied himself during that 42 month period seems to me a workable, practical and in the long term reasonable choice.