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[nursebenjamin]

Are the following verses compatible with your current understanding of Jesus? Why or why not...


Luke 19:26 [Jesus] replied, I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them"bring them here and kill them in front of me.

28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30 Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? say, The Lord needs it.

In these passages, Jesus is stating that (A) the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. (B) He is commanding murder of those who disagree with Him. And (C) is asking his disciples to steal a horse.

Luke 19:26-31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

[bjs]

In these passages, Jesus is stating that (A) the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. (B) He is commanding murder of those who disagree with Him. And (C) is asking his disciples to steal a horse.

Take another look at the parable of the Ten Minas. Keep in mind that it is a parable " an allegorical story. It is not about money or about murder. See if reading it in that light will help the passage make more sense.

While a lot of details are left out of the story of the triumphal entry, it is more likely that Jesus had made arrangements for the colt in advance, perhaps through some of his other disciples. The phrase The Lord needs it, was probably like a password to identify the disciples as the people who were supposed to pick up the colt.

[Kuan]

Sorry, but you are cherry picking out of the bible. Context is everything.

The teachings he gave about how hard it is for the rich to go to heaven, giving up your money to follow him, ect.

Those are contradictory to what you stated too.

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Are the following verses compatible with your current understanding of Jesus? Why or why not...


Luke 19:26 [Jesus] replied, I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them"bring them here and kill them in front of me.

28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30 Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? say, The Lord needs it.

In these passages, Jesus is stating that (A) the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. (B) He is commanding murder of those who disagree with Him. And (C) is asking his disciples to steal a horse.

Luke 19:26-31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

They are compatible with my faith.

You quoted scripture put you failed to quote it in context to reveal that the first part was the ending of a Parable. The parable of the Minas.

Luke 19.

The Parable of the Minas

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, Do business till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Master, your mina has earned ten minas. 17 And he said to him, Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Master, your mina has earned five minas. 19 Likewise he said to him, You also be over five cities.
20 Then another came, saying, Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow. 22 And he said to him, Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?
24 And he said to those who stood by, Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas. 25 (But they said to him, Master, he has ten minas.) 26 For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.

A)The Minas do not represent Money. The Minas represent the Message of God held by the believer. Working to increase the number of Minas is symbolic of sharing the Message of Jesus with others and helping others to embrace His message within. Thereby increasing the number of the redeemed of mankind. But if a Christian refuses to share the Message of salvation with others (hiding away in a handkerchief) the faith they have will be taken away from them and they will come to disbelief.

B)The final sentence is prophetic. It reveals the second coming of the Messiah Jesus and His destruction of those who have opposed Him. This happens at the battle of Armageddon where 200 million will be gathered and will be destroyed.


C)The next scripture you quote is not part of the Parable of the Minas.

While you might say they stole the donkey (thats what it was) there is no indication as to who owned it. The Owner could have been a follower of Jesus. there where many who supported Him beyond the disciples at the time.

It could even be that the Donkey was not owned by anyone but appeared there as a miracle of God.

But anyway to say that Jesus was ordering them to steal something is unjustified without firm scriptural evidence to back it up.


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[Zzyzx]

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It could even be that the Donkey was not owned by anyone but appeared there as a miracle of God.

Yes, the donkey could have magically appeared -- and it could also be that donkeys converse with humans according to the same Christian lore and literature.

It could also be that the tales are myth, legend, or religious promotional literature.

Which makes most sense in light of what is known of donkeys' origins and conversational ability?

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It could even be that the Donkey was not owned by anyone but appeared there as a miracle of God.

Yes, the donkey could have magically appeared -- and it could also be that donkeys converse with humans according to the same Christian lore and literature.

If God exists. And i believe He does both these things are well within His ability to do. He can make a donkey appear and make it talk as He made the Donkey talk to the OT prophet Balaam.

It could also be that the tales are myth, legend, or religious promotional literature.

I believe it is true.

Which makes most sense in light of what is known of donkeys' origins and conversational ability?

What makes sense to one who does not believe God exists means little if God indeed exists.


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[Zzyzx]

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If God exists.

IF is the key word.

And i believe He does

Unsubstantiated opinion and belief is not significant in debate.

both these things are well within His ability to do. He can make a donkey appear and make it talk as He made the Donkey talk to the OT prophet Balaam.

One can claim any abilities they wish for whatever supernatural entity they propose.

It could also be that the tales are myth, legend, or religious promotional literature.

I believe it is true.

Belief is a personal matter that has no meaning in debate.

Which makes most sense in light of what is known of donkeys' origins and conversational ability?

What makes sense to one who does not believe God exists means little if God indeed exists.

There is the IF word again.

Thousands of different "gods" are worshiped, feared, venerated, proposed or invented by humans. None can be shown to exist or to affect human affairs or "afterlives". Some people choose to believe based upon what they are told by others or what they read in ancient texts.

[fewwillfindit]

Are the following verses compatible with your current understanding of Jesus? Why or why not...


Luke 19:26 [Jesus] replied, I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them"bring them here and kill them in front of me.

28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30 Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? say, The Lord needs it.

In these passages, Jesus is stating that (A) the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. (B) He is commanding murder of those who disagree with Him. And (C) is asking his disciples to steal a horse.

Luke 19:26-31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

Text without context is pretext.

Regarding your points A and B, try it again, but this time make an attempt to discern the meaning of the passage by reading the surrounding context. Regarding point C, first, it is a donkey's colt, not a horse, and second, he is not stealing it. His omniscience is implied here, since He had just arrived, He didn't have time to make arrangements with the owners. He was aware of exactly where and what the colt was, as well as the disposition of the owners. However, they must have known who He was, as they didn't ask who this Lord was of whom the disciples spoke.

[Goat]

Are the following verses compatible with your current understanding of Jesus? Why or why not...


Luke 19:26 [Jesus] replied, I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them"bring them here and kill them in front of me.

28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30 Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? say, The Lord needs it.

In these passages, Jesus is stating that (A) the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. (B) He is commanding murder of those who disagree with Him. And (C) is asking his disciples to steal a horse.

Luke 19:26-31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

They are compatible with my faith.

You quoted scripture put you failed to quote it in context to reveal that the first part was the ending of a Parable. The parable of the Minas.

Luke 19.

The Parable of the Minas

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, Do business till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Master, your mina has earned ten minas. 17 And he said to him, Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Master, your mina has earned five minas. 19 Likewise he said to him, You also be over five cities.
20 Then another came, saying, Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow. 22 And he said to him, Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?
24 And he said to those who stood by, Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas. 25 (But they said to him, Master, he has ten minas.) 26 For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.

A)The Minas do not represent Money. The Minas represent the Message of God held by the believer. Working to increase the number of Minas is symbolic of sharing the Message of Jesus with others and helping others to embrace His message within. Thereby increasing the number of the redeemed of mankind. But if a Christian refuses to share the Message of salvation with others (hiding away in a handkerchief) the faith they have will be taken away from them and they will come to disbelief.

B)The final sentence is prophetic. It reveals the second coming of the Messiah Jesus and His destruction of those who have opposed Him. This happens at the battle of Armageddon where 200 million will be gathered and will be destroyed.


C)The next scripture you quote is not part of the Parable of the Minas.

While you might say they stole the donkey (thats what it was) there is no indication as to who owned it. The Owner could have been a follower of Jesus. there where many who supported Him beyond the disciples at the time.

It could even be that the Donkey was not owned by anyone but appeared there as a miracle of God.

But anyway to say that Jesus was ordering them to steal something is unjustified without firm scriptural evidence to back it up.


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Using the words of Luke, please show how you get to the conclusion that the final line is about the Armageddon? show that the context of Luke 19 points to this .it seems to me your interpretation does not follow the text of Luke 19.

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Luke 19:26 [Jesus] replied, I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them"bring them here and kill them in front of me.

28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30 Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? say, The Lord needs it.

In these passages, Jesus is stating that (A) the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. (B) He is commanding murder of those who disagree with Him. And (C) is asking his disciples to steal a horse.

Luke 19:26-31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

They are compatible with my faith.

You quoted scripture put you failed to quote it in context to reveal that the first part was the ending of a Parable. The parable of the Minas.

Luke 19.

The Parable of the Minas

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, Do business till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Master, your mina has earned ten minas. 17 And he said to him, Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Master, your mina has earned five minas. 19 Likewise he said to him, You also be over five cities.
20 Then another came, saying, Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow. 22 And he said to him, Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?
24 And he said to those who stood by, Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas. 25 (But they said to him, Master, he has ten minas.) 26 For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.

A)The Minas do not represent Money. The Minas represent the Message of God held by the believer. Working to increase the number of Minas is symbolic of sharing the Message of Jesus with others and helping others to embrace His message within. Thereby increasing the number of the redeemed of mankind. But if a Christian refuses to share the Message of salvation with others (hiding away in a handkerchief) the faith they have will be taken away from them and they will come to disbelief.

B)The final sentence is prophetic. It reveals the second coming of the Messiah Jesus and His destruction of those who have opposed Him. This happens at the battle of Armageddon where 200 million will be gathered and will be destroyed.


C)The next scripture you quote is not part of the Parable of the Minas.

While you might say they stole the donkey (thats what it was) there is no indication as to who owned it. The Owner could have been a follower of Jesus. there where many who supported Him beyond the disciples at the time.

It could even be that the Donkey was not owned by anyone but appeared there as a miracle of God.

But anyway to say that Jesus was ordering them to steal something is unjustified without firm scriptural evidence to back it up.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Using the words of Luke, please show how you get to the conclusion that the final line is about the Armageddon? show that the context of Luke 19 points to this .it seems to me your interpretation does not follow the text of Luke 19.

I admit you questioning my belief that the final sentence is specifically referring to Armageddon is valid. I admit i should not have linked it to the specific event such as the battle of Armageddon. I will however stay with my belief that it is prophetic in that it reveals the wrath of God upon those who reject His will at the End of Days, So i still believe it is prophetic of the end times wrath in it's entirety rather than just a specific happening such as the battle of Armageddon.

Thanks for your thoughts.


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