Homosexuality: A chosen trait, or gentetically aquired?

[The Persnickety Platypus]

This question is a major underlying factor of the general homosexual debate, the answer of which can narrow the scope in questioning its morality.



Are people born gay, or do they choose to be?
Can someone be blamed for their sexual orientation, or is it subject to factors we have no control over?

[AlAyeti]

Bugmaster,

No.

I watched the reactions of a male dog once when another male tried to mate with him. The owner of the victim dog snatched it away from the assailant pooch. How bigoted huh? I haven't watched homosexual humans. Watching pornography supports it.

Bugmaster, your nickname? Buggery perhaps? It would explain your position.

Yes or no?


Happy H,

Simple question: Why gay sex? And where'd it come from?

From the mind. Since it violates the anatomy and sexual intercourse (which by the way homosexuals do not engage in) it has to come from the mind.

Now let's cure them.

[The Happy Humanist]

Bugmaster, your nickname? Buggery perhaps? It would explain your position.

Yes or no?

Were I you, I would be very cautious about slinging accusations of "sexual non-conformity" on this board. Not only is it blatantly ad hom, the good denizens of this board have thus far resisted the temptation to provide such analysis on your track record here. You have posted about 850+ messages here; I have yet to see one that doesn't revolve around your problems with sexual mores. One might be led to believe that you have some kind of a hang-up. Of course, I would never think of maiking such an accusation...and even if I did, it would be with the intent of suggesting you get some help.

Simple question: Why gay sex? And where'd it come from?

From the mind. Since it violates the anatomy and sexual intercourse (which by the way homosexuals do not engage in) it has to come from the mind.

Really? Well, how did it get there? And why gay sex, to the exclusion of any other "aberration," such as thermolectrophilia? That certainly violates the anatomy. Tell us how gay sex got into the mind in the first place. (Do dogs have minds?)

[Bugmaster]

Bugmaster,
No.

Ok, as far as I can tell, AlAyeti says that gay sex does not in fact feel good to homosexuals.

Firstly, why do you say that ?

Secondly, why do you think they engage in gay sex at all, if it doesn't feel good to them ?

Please answer as clearly and concisely as you possibly can.

[melikio]

Good questions folks; keep it up.

Very interesting stuff.

-Mel-

[Chimp]

I still can't wrap my head around the against nature argument.

The argument as I understand it....

[Begin]
Non-vaginal sex acts are against nature and anatomy.
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If one were to find an organism that lacked the higher functions to
"decide" they were gay, and yet still engaged in homosexuality, could
one not conclude said organism was "born that way"? This would of course
negate the against nature argument also.

[AlAyeti]

Ok, as far as I can tell, AlAyeti says that gay sex does not in fact feel good to homosexuals.

Firstly, why do you say that ?

Secondly, why do you think they engage in gay sex at all, if it doesn't feel good to them ?

Please answer as clearly and concisely as you possibly can.

Anatomy answers the first question. No clitoris or penile glans in the rectum or mouth. One-sided sexual activity is only enjoyable to one person. So much for the intercourse part huh? And I've heard that rape is not a crime of sex but of violence. I'm just using the map provided by anatomy, and physiology and biology.

It seems that even homosexuals cannot answer the second question. "Why would anyone choose this lifestyle." I'm sorry, I'm just going to take that at face value to mean that it ain't all that fun.

To Mr. H-H,

Were I you, I would be very cautious about slinging accusations of "sexual non-conformity" on this board. Not only is it blatantly ad hom, the good denizens of this board have thus far resisted the temptation to provide such analysis on your track record here. You have posted about 850+ messages here; I have yet to see one that doesn't revolve around your problems with sexual mores. One might be led to believe that you have some kind of a hang-up. Of course, I would never think of maiking such an accusation...and even if I did, it would be with the intent of suggesting you get some help.

First, I don't approve of bank robbery or genocide. Am I a closeted bank robber or Communist Leader in training?

Boo! Doesn't work on me. Sorry. I don't scare easy and bullies go away when challenged.

My problems with sexual mores is historical and current afffairs (no pun intended).

Also, the homosexual agenda is extremely threatening to my brothers and sisters in Churches all across America. The homosexual agenda may not be as murderous as Muslims but they are just as intolerant.

How many (ususally denigrating) questions directed at Christians today don't eventually find their way to same-sex marriage or the spread homosexuality into Churches and schools?

The only help I need is for millions more Christians to register to vote.

[The Persnickety Platypus]

Boo! Doesn't work on me. Sorry. I don't scare easy and bullies go away when challenged.

Bugmaster made no personal attack, and even if he had, that still gives you no right to retaliate likewise in my view.

Accepting a challenge is perfectly acceptable. That comment might have gone a bit beyond the call of duty, however.

Forget it being ad hom. I would think you might be a bit concerned about it being unbiblical. That is, if verses such as Ephesians 4:2 and 2 Timothy 2:25 grant any merit.

[Bugmaster]

Ok, as far as I can tell, AlAyeti says that gay sex does not in fact feel good to homosexuals.

Firstly, why do you say that ?

Secondly, why do you think they engage in gay sex at all, if it doesn't feel good to them ?

Anatomy answers the first question. No clitoris or penile glans in the rectum or mouth. One-sided sexual activity is only enjoyable to one person.

Wait a minute. Now you're claiming that at least one person receives enjoyment in homosexual intercourse; this is contrary to your first claim that no one enjoys it. So... which is it ?

I would point out that during heterosexual intercourse, it is still often the case that only one person (often, the male) receives enjoyment, and the other person (often, the female) just sort of lies there. Does this mean heterosexual sex immoral ?

Furthermore, most psychologists will tell you that your biggest sexual organ is your brain. This is why many people become aroused by pornography, for example. Thus, the amount of nerve endings in this or that body part is not the only factor that determines how much enjoyment you receive from sex.

And of course, from the strictly biological point of view, there are many ways to engage in sexual acts without direct vaginal intercourse; I refer you to the Kama Sutra for more information.

It seems that even homosexuals cannot answer the second question. "Why would anyone choose this lifestyle." I'm sorry, I'm just going to take that at face value to mean that it ain't all that fun.

You haven't answered my question. Why do you think that homosexuals engage in gay sex, if they receive no enjoyment from it ?

[AlAyeti]

Bug,

Wait a minute. Now you're claiming that at least one person receives enjoyment in homosexual intercourse; this is contrary to your first claim that no one enjoys it. So... which is it ?

Do rapists enjoy sex? You did notice the qualifier I hope? "Psychologists claim that they (rapists) don't and that enjoy the power over another individual. Oh that you had the mind of quicker adversaries.

I would point out that during heterosexual intercourse, it is still often the case that only one person (often, the male) receives enjoyment, and the other person (often, the female) just sort of lies there. Does this mean heterosexual sex immoral ?

Speak for yourself. I may be a Christian but the idea of sex is certainly for enjoyment all around. And just lying there? That may be the basis for your statement from empiricism.

Furthermore, most psychologists will tell you that your biggest sexual organ is your brain. This is why many people become aroused by pornography, for example. Thus, the amount of nerve endings in this or that body part is not the only factor that determines how much enjoyment you receive from sex.

You provide me with that fodder and I'm just itching for the comeback of the year. But, I'll not get Persnickety in an uproar. But I'll just say that I'm sorry for the psychologist that has that "perspective."

And of course, from the strictly biological point of view, there are many ways to engage in sexual acts without direct vaginal intercourse; I refer you to the Kama Sutra for more information.

From the strictly biological, sexual intercourse is only penis-vagina. It doesn't matter what behavior leads up to the definition of truth.

You haven't answered my question. Why do you think that homosexuals engage in gay sex, if they receive no enjoyment from it ?

Why ask me? My mind is sound. Ask this to a homosexual.

I don't know what it is like to beat myself with a whip or, to be beaten by one, and I hear that some people find this enjoyable.

You have to do impossible math not I.

[AlAyeti]

The P-P,

Bugmaster made no personal attack, and even if he had, that still gives you no right to retaliate likewise in my view.

Accepting a challenge is perfectly acceptable. That comment might have gone a bit beyond the call of duty, however.

Forget it being ad hom. I would think you might be a bit concerned about it being unbiblical. That is, if verses such as Ephesians 4:2 and 2 Timothy 2:25 grant any merit.

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I asked a question very pertinent to opinion. Buggery is very apllicable to this topic. If a person likes it then their perspective on aberrant sexuality is indeed in fair play.

2 Timothy 2:25 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

Ephesians 4:2-3 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.

I'm niether a Pastor nor an evangelist. I am not meek either. And Ephesians is talking about interacting with other Christians. Bugmaster is not a Christian. I'm am presnting my opinions honestly with solid facts to support them.

When dealing with supporters homosexuality, things are naturally going to get nasty. It's the nature of the beast.

But I thought I made the bully comment in a response to one of someone else's post?