The Total Lunar Tetrads Tell Us When Jesus Returns

[lvdyou]

Jesus was cursing the fig tree for having no leaves representing Israel for having no life after all He has done for them. In Matt. 24.33 Jesus says His return is "very near" after Israel becomes a nation again, branches beginning to bud (v.32), so within a lifetime of 75 years (Ps. 90.10) from 1948. No later than 2023! The 7-year Tribulation can't start any later than 2016. Jesus said the disciples could not know when He returns prior to Israel a nation again.

We are also told to look for signs in the cosmos for when the Tribulation starts. In the 6th seal, Rev. 6.12 (cf. Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20) says 3 things must occur before the Tribulation starts since the 7th seal opens up the very loud 7 trumpets of the Tribulation. The first rapture according to readiness (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36) is "before the throne" (7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet (8.7) commences the Tribulation. The resurrection is at the start of the last trumpet (11.15) which is the harvest (14.14-16) to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4.14-18).

"When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood"(Rev. 6.12).

First, a great earthquake! The second greatest number of deaths occurred in Haiti 2010 and the most per capita, 1 in 27 people. The 4th or 5th greatest in magnitude occurred in Japan 2011 and was the greatest financial loss. Never before in history have two earthquakes of such massive proportions occurred back to back, year over year.

Second, a black sackcloth solar eclipse! There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring about 5% of the time. There are 3 kinds of Hybrids, the rarest being the H3 about 5% of the time which finishes off as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. The 4th long H3 since Christ is Nov. 3, 2013. It won't happen again till 2172.

Third, a red blood moon lunar eclipse! The rarest kind of lunar eclipse is the lunar tetrad. A tetrad is when there are 4 red blood moon total eclipses in a row. And it is even rarer when it lands on passover, tabernacles, and again on passover and tabernacles. Passover is the first of Israel's seven feasts representing atonement. And Tabernacles is the last feast pointing to the future millennial kingdom. The 6th Total Lunar Tetrad since Christ was 1949/50. Israel became a nation May 14, 1948 and signed the Armistice treaties in 1949. The 7th feast Tetrad was 1967/68. Israel took over Jerusalem June 7, 1967. This is the first time in history two feast Tetrads were this close 18 years apart. The 8th Tetrad is 2014/15 and won't happen again for nearly 600 years, 2582/83. There is no unique solar eclipse next to that Tetrad way off into the future. As a double fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, it would take seven sets of seven years from the declaration to rebuild the Temple for it to be completed. This is 17,640 days or 360 days/yr x 7 sets of 7 years (Dan. 9.25). From June 7, 1967 to Sept. 23, 2015 is also 17,460 days. This day happens to be the Day of Atonement which is 10 days after the first rapture Feast of Trumpets.

Considering these undeniable facts, the Tribulation can't start before 2015 either. Next, we need a 2,520 day period for the Tribulation since all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens are 2,520 days each. 2,520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers 2 to 10 as Daniel's basic working prophetic unit. This is triply confirmed since Jesus was "cut off" (Dan. 9.26) after 69 sets of seven years or 173,880 days from the declaration to rebuild the temple Nisan 1, 444 BC (Neh. 2.1). This takes us to Nisan 10, Monday, Mar. 28, 33 AD (Gregorian), the day Jesus entered Jerusalem-the first day of the four day inspection of the lamb. The 4 day inspection was Mar. 28, 29, 30, 31. Jesus was captured on Thursday, Mar. 31 then He died on the cross Nisan 14, Passover, Friday, April 1, 33 AD what Satan calls April Fool's Day. The first 4 feasts refer to atonement, Jesus set apart for three days, His resurrection, and giving the Holy Spirit. Since the last 3 feasts pertain to Jesus' second coming (rapture, salvation, millennium) and the first of those feasts deals with the first rapture (Rev. 7.9), the 2,520 day period must count down from Feast of Trumpets. There is no holiday on the 2,520th day in 2023 from Feast of Trumpets in 2016.

The 2,520th day from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 takes us to Sunday Aug. 7, 2022. Yet I could find no holiday on that day either until I realized when Tisha B'Av falls on a Saturday it is held the day after instead. So is the case in 2022. Tisha B'Av was when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. This is of great significance because Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple (2 Thess. 2.4, Rev. 11.2) for 1000 years (20.2-7) over the nations with His overcomers (2.26, 20.4-6) and a rod of iron (12.5). He returns with 10,000 of His overcomers (Jude 14,15)-the 5 wise virgins (Matt. 25.1-13). The 5 unwise virgins though saved and have eternal life which can never be lost (John 10.28) would not be included in the first rapture nor the return to reign during the 1000 years. They would be resurrected at last trumpet. This is accountability for Christians to "overcometh" mentioned 7 times in Rev. 2 & 3. Christians all overcome but not at the same time. Many Christians prefer to be tied down to the world like a balloon unwilling to be released so they shall lose this reward by being cast into outer darkness, outside the light of reward of reigning with Christ during the millennium.

Outer darkness is like being in the forest and seeing a beautifully lit cabin but not allowed to enter it until the occupants come out to take them to the mansion. Or it is like painting a house, but if you are sloppy with the paint getting it all over yourself, you will need to remove it with some solvent like gasoline which stings before you can enter the shower.

The polling system is messed up. It excluded my 5th option of "Possibly < 50%"

[lvdyou]

So you don't think you will be raptured... oh my.

What makes you think that the Bible has hidden prophecies in it at all, dealing with when Jesus returns, when he specifically said no one would know?

Wouldn't that include the people who claim to read these hidden prophecies?

Since first rapture is according to readiness Christians don't know if we will be raptured before the Tribulation or at the last trumpet. All we are too do is stay vigilant to overcometh so that if we are watchful, prayerful and keep the word of His patience, we will escape the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world.

The prophecy that Jesus will return soon after Israel is a nation again is not a hidden prophecy. Matt. 24.32-33 are plain and open for all to read.

Jesus never said you can't know when He returns, but He did say you can't know when the end of the world takes place (vv.35-36).

[Goat]

So you don't think you will be raptured... oh my.

What makes you think that the Bible has hidden prophecies in it at all, dealing with when Jesus returns, when he specifically said no one would know?

Wouldn't that include the people who claim to read these hidden prophecies?

Since first rapture is according to readiness Christians don't know if we will be raptured before the Tribulation or at the last trumpet. All we are too do is stay vigilant to overcometh so that if we are watchful, prayerful and keep the word of His patience, we will escape the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world.

The prophecy that Jesus will return soon after Israel is a nation again is not a hidden prophecy. Matt. 24.32-33 are plain and open for all to read.

Jesus never said you can't know when He returns, but He did say you can't know when the end of the world takes place (vv.35-36).

Yet, matthew 24:32-33 does not say when Jesus will return, nor does it have to do with any date what so ever.

It appears that 'readiness Christians' are not very biblical.

[Paradigm]

So you don't think you will be raptured... oh my.

What makes you think that the Bible has hidden prophecies in it at all, dealing with when Jesus returns, when he specifically said no one would know?

Wouldn't that include the people who claim to read these hidden prophecies?

Since first rapture is according to readiness Christians don't know if we will be raptured before the Tribulation or at the last trumpet. All we are too do is stay vigilant to overcometh so that if we are watchful, prayerful and keep the word of His patience, we will escape the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world.

The prophecy that Jesus will return soon after Israel is a nation again is not a hidden prophecy. Matt. 24.32-33 are plain and open for all to read.

Jesus never said you can't know when He returns, but He did say you can't know when the end of the world takes place (vv.35-36).

Matt 24:34 is also plain and open for all to read. That generation passed away, as did the one after that, and the one after that.

[lvdyou]

Yet, matthew 24:32-33 does not say when Jesus will return, nor does it have to do with any date what so ever.

It appears that 'readiness Christians' are not very biblical.

Matt. 24.32-33 says Jesus' return is very near right at the door once Israel is a nation again. Israel was a nation again 1948. Right at the door can't be more than a lifetime at most. Ps. 90.10 places that to be 2023 at the latest.

But Rev. 6.12, concurrent with Joel 2.32 and Acts 2,20, says 3 events occur before the Tribulation starts. Those 3 events were from 2010-15 as detailed in the opening post so the Tribulation can't start before 2015. So the Tribulation is either 2015-22 or 2016-23.

There is no 2,520 day period in 2016-23 but there is from Feats of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

God wants you to think.

[lvdyou]

Matt 24:34 is also plain and open for all to read. That generation passed away, as did the one after that, and the one after that.

This refers to the wicked generation still going on today. Please read the proof of this in the notes for Matt. 24.34 here,

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Matthew_24.htm

[Goat]

Yet, matthew 24:32-33 does not say when Jesus will return, nor does it have to do with any date what so ever.

It appears that 'readiness Christians' are not very biblical.

Matt. 24.32-33 says Jesus' return is very near right at the door once Israel is a nation again. Israel was a nation again 1948. Right at the door can't be more than a lifetime at most. Ps. 90.10 places that to be 2023 at the latest.

But Rev. 6.12, concurrent with Joel 2.32 and Acts 2,20, says 3 events occur before the Tribulation starts. Those 3 events were from 2010-15 as detailed in the opening post so the Tribulation can't start before 2015. So the Tribulation is either 2015-22 or 2016-23.

There is no 2,520 day period in 2016-23 but there is from Feats of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

God wants you to think.

You do love to make unsupported claims, now don't you

Well, the state of Israel is not the hoped for state in the bible. It does not have a king.. nor is the temple in existence with a high priest.

Sorry, but that's not gonna happen.

You are taking a statement of hope and wishful thinking, and attempting to transform it into fortune telling, which is against the bible.

[Mithrae]

Depending on eyesight and visibility conditions, it seems God's original promise to Abraham would have been in the order of 5000 to 60000 descendants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_eye# ... _astronomy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude
A 90-year old man with no children would hardly be complaining, if he happened to come back a few centuries later, that God had under-delivered on his promise; quite the opposite. Though as I've said, the focus in Gen. 15:5 seems to be more "can you count the stars? So shall your descendants be" rather than a specific number. The 'literal' interpretation would then be that a single person should be unable to count Abraham's descendants without lots of careful work

All that aside, I'm still not sure what you were hoping to accomplish with your post. Even if it were viable, your 'literalist' interpretation of the verse was obviously drastically different from the view of all Christians and Jews; that God simply promised Abraham many, many descendants. In effect you yourself were showing that, probably without any exceptions, Christians and Jews don't apply blanket literalism and do consider nuances of meaning and context in their interpretation.

But how does proving that count as an argument against "the notion that the ridiculous claims in Biblical mythology should be taken as a literal historical account"? If you're proposing blanket 'mythicalism' or 'non-historicism' instead I suspect your views will be subject to even more criticism than these alleged 'biblical literalists' which I hope one day to discover. If your concern is with which aspects of the bible folk consider to be metaphor, allegory, moral content and which they consider history or fact, surely starting a thread about hermeneutics would be more effective than a strange 'literal' interpretation from Genesis offered as 'proof' that Jesus won't return soon?

Trillions upon trillions of stars occupy 'the region of the atmosphere and outer space seen from the earth.' If a 90 year old dude couldn't make them all out or count them all, that doesn't change the fact that trillions upon trillions of stars occupy 'the region of the atmosphere and outer space seen from the earth.'

You know what 'seen' means, right? 60,000 is probably a generous upper limit for the whole globe and even with perfect eyesight. Hell, call it 100,000 if you prefer; to 90-year old childless Abraham, God still gave far more descendants than all the stars he or others could possibly hope to number.

Stars aside, God also promised Abraham descendants as numerous as the quintilians of grains of sand on the sea shore. The presumption that Abraham wouldn't complain about God under-delivering, doesn't change the fact that so far God has indeed under-delivered.

There's quintillions of grains of sand seen on which particular beach of the Dead Sea (or possibly Mediterranean), out of interest? Assuming it's the same word as Gen. 26:4, you'll probably recall that rabah means "1) be or become great, be or become many, be or become much, be or become numerous "? Since this was after God's promise to give Abraham at least 5,000 to 60,000 descendants, should we take the Hebrew language into account in your 'literal' interpretation here, or only when the English word 'sky' seems inconvenient (and revert to Hebrew lore when shamayim 'literally' means sky)?

The only real options here are:

A: God didn't really promise Abraham as many descendants as grains of sand
B: God is a liar and a welsher
C: We have many thousands of years to go before this prophecy comes to fruition
D: God is going to make Jewish mothers spawn millions upon millions of offspring at a time in order to fulfill the prophecy by 2023

The author of the thread is 100% certain of when Jesus will return 'because the Bible proves it.'

My counterexample demonstrates how the Bible 'proves' the Abrahamic prophecy has a long ways to go before it is fulfilled.

Since you are so keen to know my objective, this game of making the Bible prove whatever you want it to prove entertains me. Being entertained is my primary objective.

True enough - since I imagine there's not major differences in our general views, I probably wouldn't be arguing with you if I too didn't get entertainment out of the exchange But generally we also pretend to have some intellectual objective, surely? For example I can pretend that I'm concerned over the imprecision or inaccuracy involved in your initial post and counterexample against 'biblical literalists,' a group which I suspect is more or less mythical - since (as you've somewhat demonstrated) essentially all Christians and Jews do indeed take context and meaning into account in their scripture interpretations and are not blanket literalists.

Whereas quite aside from possible problems with your 'literalist' interpretation of this prophecy which I've been commenting on, as you've suggested in point C above and as lvdyou himself said in reply to your initial post... Jesus' return is not THE END. Nothing in your 'literalist' interpretation of these verses says anything about it happening before Jesus returns. Got at least a thousand years of perfect government for interstellar expansion and Jewish/Arabic fecundity in which even your unbalanced 'literalist' interpretation might be fulfilled in this world (for the grains of sand to a depth of X meters on however many sea-shores, at least, if not the stars in your later Hebrew lore concept of a 'second heaven'). When one of the major historical Jewish concepts of the Messiah is supposed to be finally fulfilled with Christ's second coming, are you honestly saying that your contrary 'literalist proof' was that a promise to Abraham must be fulfilled beforehand when not a single verse says anything of the like?

[lvdyou]

Well, the state of Israel is not the hoped for state in the bible.

There are several hopes in the Bible. One is the regeneration of the world in the millennial kingdom when Christ reigns on earth. Second, to save souls whosoever is willing to believe in Jesus. Third, for Israel to be the center of all nations from where Jesus reigns in the 3rd Temple.

Ezekiel's prophecy on his side predicted the month and year when Israel would become a nation. Amazing!

http://biblocality.com/forums/content.p ... tion-Again

And Gen. 15.18 hasn't been fulfilled yet where Israel owns the land to the Euphrates River.

[Goat]

Well, the state of Israel is not the hoped for state in the bible.

There are several hopes in the Bible. One is the regeneration of the world in the millennial kingdom when Christ reigns on earth. Second, to save souls whosoever is willing to believe in Jesus. Third, for Israel to be the center of all nations from where Jesus reigns in the 3rd Temple.

Ezekiel's prophecy on his side predicted the month and year when Israel would become a nation. Amazing!

http://biblocality.com/forums/content.p ... tion-Again

And Gen. 15.18 hasn't been fulfilled yet where Israel owns the land to the Euphrates River.

What is amazing is that someone would accept that kind of mishmash to 'prove' a date. There were huge number of claims in that page.. but.. not one of those claims was shown to be truthful.

It does goes to show with the proper cut/pasting and choosing of out of context individual lines, you can prove anything you want after the fact.

I noticed they took lines out of context saying 'See , this proves it predicted that such and such would occur at this date and it did', yet those phrases said nothing about the reestablishment of Israel, or mentioned numbers, or dates. It was just pulling numbers out of the air, and proclaiming them to be a prophecy and fulfilled.

[lvdyou]

It's quite true Jesus said He will return very soon after Israel is a nation again so within a lifetime at the uttermost. Ps. 90.10 says a lifetime is 75 years so before 2023 from 1948. And since the 3 events spoken of in Rev. 6.12 right before the Tribulation are the 3 events of 2010-15, the Tribulation can't start before 2015. But since there is no 2,520 day period in 2016-23, but there is for 2015-22 we know the Tribulation with 100% certainty is Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. Very simple so even you can understand.