Is the world made of objects or processes?

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harvey1 wrote:
QED wrote:First I would point out that the world is not made out of objects but of processes.
Perhaps we can discuss this in another thread, but why do you consider this a fact where there is little scientific evidence to determine whether it is true or not, yet you firmly reject the existence of God where there is a large body of evidence to suggest that God does indeed exist? It seems as if you are being inconsistent with your treatment of evidence.
Curious wrote: More to the point, explain how a process can create a result without at least referencing an object.
I don't know if it's worth starting a new debate topic for this, but the quest to bring relativity and quantum theory together is an interesting one. It sets out to answer the very fundamental question "What are time and space?" Most of us here are also interested in causality and a successful theory for Quantum Gravity should supply answers to all these questions. I mentioned the idea that the world is made of processes rather than objects because this latter notion is entirely artificial - in the same way that a movie comprised of sequential still-images is not the same as the unfolding of the captured events in time.

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QED wrote:Well this is all the thanks I get for trying to shed my image as a die-hard materialist Seriously though, I'm trying hard to get my head around the theories concerning Quantum Gravity and in doing so it is prompting me to do a lot of thinking about the things I normally take for granted.
Well, now I feel bad asking if you really believed what you said was unquestioned scientific truth. I just found it puzzling--especially coming from you.
QED wrote:Harvey, you seemed to get particularly excited about this -- as if it exonerated your views about a God inspired creation. Frankly I am simply left staring at the same old world and marvelling at the illusion.
Well, what I find significant here is that the HP implies a fundamental discrete nature of spacetime. When we discussed this issue I believe it was in connection to the material causation issue of what causally connects discrete "chunks" of spacetime to other discrete "chunks" of spacetime. It seems to me that if you accept the HP, then you would have to accept some form of platonic relations to the universe. If that is so, then I would ask what plays the role of Tarskian satisfaction of those relations.

In any case, the HP is far from resolved fact. For example, Y. Jack Ng argues that the HP is derived from the fact that spacetime fluctuates due to its intrinsic quantum nature.

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