The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[KCKID]

There might be 'gay' participants or readers on this forum who may wish to join a Chrurch that is accepting of their 'natural to them' sexuality. The below item may be of some assistance. Be assured that there ARE some, even many, people out there who are willing to accept you as an equal.

Being a Christian can sometimes be difficult, but being a gay Christian can prove to be more complicated. There can be discrimination by conventional and straight communities, and sometimes persecution from their fellow Christians as well because of their lifestyle conflicts with the Christian belief that homosexuality is a sin. There are actually gay communities who have a desire to follow and worship, but because of their conflicting identities as a gay and a Christian, it can be a hard time finding Christian communities and churches that would be welcoming. Fortunately, more and more support groups are emerging and are going out of their way to accept gay Christians for who they are.

Find an Affirming Church

Churches that welcome gay Christians into their congregation are termed as gay-affirming, or simply affirming, churches. These churches accept gays without intending to help alter their lifestyle, but instead minister to them as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Affirming churches also address the needs of gay Christians as believers in Christ, hosting Bible studies, starting cell groups, and encouraging Sunday worship service attendance. Many affirming churches are spread not only in the US, but also in Asia and Europe. Below is a list of links that can help gay Christians find the right affirming church for them:

Affirming Christian Church Directory: this web page contains a list of affirming churches across the world, from the US, Europe, Asia, and even Africa. The list is constantly updated, and affirming churches can contact the site owner to add their own address in the list.

Other Gay Affirming Christian Churches: the link directs a visitor to a directory of about 500 affirming churches both in the US and Canada. The churches listed in the directory have specifically and willingly requested to be put on the list, so more or less, a visitor can be sure that the churches are indeed affirming ones.

How Do I Find a Good Gay Affirming Church: the article discusses a few questions a gay Christian should ask himself in order to find out if an affirming church is for him.

Find a Church: SisterFriends Together includes a list of denominational coalitions for GLBTQ concerns, and also a list of non-denomination churches in the United States and several countries around the world. The articles emphasizes the need of a gay Christian to learn more about a church before being an official member of the congregation.

Open and Affirming in the UCC: The United Church of Christ (UCC) is currently the largest domination that holds an Open and Affirming (ONA) program among its many churches. In this site, a visitor can find many resources and contact details for concerns such as for parents with gay children and gay youths. The site also includes a list of UCC churches around the USA.

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[99percentatheism]

Inhospitality labeled "equality" rights?

Gay Marriage Equality = Unequal Treatment for Heterosexuals

The following column by our friend Greg Quinlan first appeared on the website of PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays):

By Greg Quinlan

The homosexual push for equal marriage, otherwise known as genderless marriage, can only lead to a ban on heterosexual rights. With a President in power who endorses gay causes and readily misuses executive orders, and emboldened by their numerous wins for gay rights at the legislative and judicial level, homosexuals have now moved beyond equal rights to the more equal than you level. As a result, gay organizations are working to ban that practice they fear the most " heterosexual behavior.

Witness the ban on heterosexual therapy successfully pushed by homosexual groups in California. Even though no scientific evidence exists of a gay gene, parents in California are now prohibited from taking their children to see a therapist to resolve their childs unwanted same-sex attractions.

So for parents who discover that their son has been molested and is now sexually confused, their only option is to make an appointment with a gay-affirming therapist " because unlike heterosexual affirming therapy, gay-affirming therapy has not been declared illegal in California even though such therapy has not been proven beneficial by the APA.

Yet a parent can take their son to a therapist to approve gender blocking hormones so that the childs natural gender is stunted before he reaches puberty. In short, parents can attempt to change a childs gender, but they cannot change their childs sexual orientation unless it is to a homosexual identity.

This heterosexual ban did not come about by accident, because who would have considered it? Surely not parents, who want all therapeutic and medical options available for their child. So why would a state legislature like California ignore the wishes of parents and outlaw heterosexual therapy for children? Indeed, the original legislation banned heterosexual therapy for everyone, including adults.

Nor can we attribute the ban to the wacky state of California, because New Jersey is next on the list to outlaw heterosexual therapy for children, thanks to a New Jersey state assemblyman who has introduced the legislation.

But as a politically powerful and wealthy constituent group of the Democratic party, gay activists know from their successful gay marriage battles (never won at the ballot box) how to lobby for homosexual legislation regardless of its effect on society at large. So as gay activist organizations band together to demand that state legislatures ban heterosexual therapy, its anti-heterosexual consequences are ignored and the rights of parents over their own children are outlawed.

As a former homosexual, I understand the gays dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it marriage. Its about labeling others as gay as early as possible"witness the gay activist push into public schools"and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at whats happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexual behavior. Businesses and individuals who do not approve are fired from their jobs, threatened, or publicly castigated " as witnessed by the attempted but failed nationwide Chick-fil-A boycott by homosexuals.

The culture war is not slowing down; its just beginning to gain steam as gay organizations turn to anti-heterosexual legislation, mandatory public approval of sodomy, federal funding of gay youth activist organizations and homosexual initiatives, required government training against homophobia, heterosexism, and transphobia, etc., etc. This is more than a culture war; it is a war for our very own freedoms " a war for the character and future of our nation.

Homofascism will soon be, if it is not already, the greatest threat to our individual liberties in this country. So-called marriage equality is just the beginning.

###

Greg Quinlan is President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) and Executive Director of Equality and Justice For All.

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom"both young and old"surrounded the house. They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, No, my friends. Dont do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But dont do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.

Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!

Well treat you worse than them.

- Genesis 19

In the Orwellian world of homosexual activists and their liberal fellow travelers, diversity and inclusion have become the buzzwords of politically correct intolerance and active discrimination against faith-based organizations.

One long-suffering diversity victim is the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), which will see its sizeable grants from United Parcel Service (UPS) cease under a new UPS giving policy that requires that all grantees ban anti-gay discrimination. UPS reportedly gave the BSA more than $150,000 in 2010.

By Peter LaBarbera,

http://americansfortruth.com/

[KCKID]

Inhospitality labeled "equality" rights?

Gay Marriage Equality = Unequal Treatment for Heterosexuals

The following column by our friend Greg Quinlan first appeared on the website of PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays):

By Greg Quinlan

The homosexual push for equal marriage, otherwise known as genderless marriage, can only lead to a ban on heterosexual rights. With a President in power who endorses gay causes and readily misuses executive orders, and emboldened by their numerous wins for gay rights at the legislative and judicial level, homosexuals have now moved beyond equal rights to the more equal than you level. As a result, gay organizations are working to ban that practice they fear the most " heterosexual behavior.

Witness the ban on heterosexual therapy successfully pushed by homosexual groups in California. Even though no scientific evidence exists of a gay gene, parents in California are now prohibited from taking their children to see a therapist to resolve their childs unwanted same-sex attractions.

So for parents who discover that their son has been molested and is now sexually confused, their only option is to make an appointment with a gay-affirming therapist " because unlike heterosexual affirming therapy, gay-affirming therapy has not been declared illegal in California even though such therapy has not been proven beneficial by the APA.

Yet a parent can take their son to a therapist to approve gender blocking hormones so that the childs natural gender is stunted before he reaches puberty. In short, parents can attempt to change a childs gender, but they cannot change their childs sexual orientation unless it is to a homosexual identity.

This heterosexual ban did not come about by accident, because who would have considered it? Surely not parents, who want all therapeutic and medical options available for their child. So why would a state legislature like California ignore the wishes of parents and outlaw heterosexual therapy for children? Indeed, the original legislation banned heterosexual therapy for everyone, including adults.

Nor can we attribute the ban to the wacky state of California, because New Jersey is next on the list to outlaw heterosexual therapy for children, thanks to a New Jersey state assemblyman who has introduced the legislation.

But as a politically powerful and wealthy constituent group of the Democratic party, gay activists know from their successful gay marriage battles (never won at the ballot box) how to lobby for homosexual legislation regardless of its effect on society at large. So as gay activist organizations band together to demand that state legislatures ban heterosexual therapy, its anti-heterosexual consequences are ignored and the rights of parents over their own children are outlawed.

As a former homosexual, I understand the gays dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it marriage. Its about labeling others as gay as early as possible"witness the gay activist push into public schools"and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at whats happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexual behavior. Businesses and individuals who do not approve are fired from their jobs, threatened, or publicly castigated " as witnessed by the attempted but failed nationwide Chick-fil-A boycott by homosexuals.

The culture war is not slowing down; its just beginning to gain steam as gay organizations turn to anti-heterosexual legislation, mandatory public approval of sodomy, federal funding of gay youth activist organizations and homosexual initiatives, required government training against homophobia, heterosexism, and transphobia, etc., etc. This is more than a culture war; it is a war for our very own freedoms " a war for the character and future of our nation.

Homofascism will soon be, if it is not already, the greatest threat to our individual liberties in this country. So-called marriage equality is just the beginning.

###

Greg Quinlan is President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) and Executive Director of Equality and Justice For All.

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom"both young and old"surrounded the house. They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, No, my friends. Dont do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But dont do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.

Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!

Well treat you worse than them.

- Genesis 19

In the Orwellian world of homosexual activists and their liberal fellow travelers, diversity and inclusion have become the buzzwords of politically correct intolerance and active discrimination against faith-based organizations.

One long-suffering diversity victim is the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), which will see its sizeable grants from United Parcel Service (UPS) cease under a new UPS giving policy that requires that all grantees ban anti-gay discrimination. UPS reportedly gave the BSA more than $150,000 in 2010.

By Peter LaBarbera,

http://americansfortruth.com/

It's little wonder most of those on this forum have left you pretty well to me, 99percent. I'm about the only one dumb enough to keep encouraging your homophobic crap! I occasionally wonder if those of your Church are aware of what you're doing to Christianity . . .

[99percentatheism]

Inhospitality labeled "equality" rights?

Gay Marriage Equality = Unequal Treatment for Heterosexuals

The following column by our friend Greg Quinlan first appeared on the website of PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays):

By Greg Quinlan

The homosexual push for equal marriage, otherwise known as genderless marriage, can only lead to a ban on heterosexual rights. With a President in power who endorses gay causes and readily misuses executive orders, and emboldened by their numerous wins for gay rights at the legislative and judicial level, homosexuals have now moved beyond equal rights to the more equal than you level. As a result, gay organizations are working to ban that practice they fear the most " heterosexual behavior.

Witness the ban on heterosexual therapy successfully pushed by homosexual groups in California. Even though no scientific evidence exists of a gay gene, parents in California are now prohibited from taking their children to see a therapist to resolve their childs unwanted same-sex attractions.

So for parents who discover that their son has been molested and is now sexually confused, their only option is to make an appointment with a gay-affirming therapist " because unlike heterosexual affirming therapy, gay-affirming therapy has not been declared illegal in California even though such therapy has not been proven beneficial by the APA.

Yet a parent can take their son to a therapist to approve gender blocking hormones so that the childs natural gender is stunted before he reaches puberty. In short, parents can attempt to change a childs gender, but they cannot change their childs sexual orientation unless it is to a homosexual identity.

This heterosexual ban did not come about by accident, because who would have considered it? Surely not parents, who want all therapeutic and medical options available for their child. So why would a state legislature like California ignore the wishes of parents and outlaw heterosexual therapy for children? Indeed, the original legislation banned heterosexual therapy for everyone, including adults.

Nor can we attribute the ban to the wacky state of California, because New Jersey is next on the list to outlaw heterosexual therapy for children, thanks to a New Jersey state assemblyman who has introduced the legislation.

But as a politically powerful and wealthy constituent group of the Democratic party, gay activists know from their successful gay marriage battles (never won at the ballot box) how to lobby for homosexual legislation regardless of its effect on society at large. So as gay activist organizations band together to demand that state legislatures ban heterosexual therapy, its anti-heterosexual consequences are ignored and the rights of parents over their own children are outlawed.

As a former homosexual, I understand the gays dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it marriage. Its about labeling others as gay as early as possible"witness the gay activist push into public schools"and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at whats happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexual behavior. Businesses and individuals who do not approve are fired from their jobs, threatened, or publicly castigated " as witnessed by the attempted but failed nationwide Chick-fil-A boycott by homosexuals.

The culture war is not slowing down; its just beginning to gain steam as gay organizations turn to anti-heterosexual legislation, mandatory public approval of sodomy, federal funding of gay youth activist organizations and homosexual initiatives, required government training against homophobia, heterosexism, and transphobia, etc., etc. This is more than a culture war; it is a war for our very own freedoms " a war for the character and future of our nation.

Homofascism will soon be, if it is not already, the greatest threat to our individual liberties in this country. So-called marriage equality is just the beginning.

###

Greg Quinlan is President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) and Executive Director of Equality and Justice For All.

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom"both young and old"surrounded the house. They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, No, my friends. Dont do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But dont do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.

Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!

Well treat you worse than them.

- Genesis 19

In the Orwellian world of homosexual activists and their liberal fellow travelers, diversity and inclusion have become the buzzwords of politically correct intolerance and active discrimination against faith-based organizations.

One long-suffering diversity victim is the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), which will see its sizeable grants from United Parcel Service (UPS) cease under a new UPS giving policy that requires that all grantees ban anti-gay discrimination. UPS reportedly gave the BSA more than $150,000 in 2010.

By Peter LaBarbera,

http://americansfortruth.com/

It's little wonder most of those on this forum have left you pretty well to me, 99percent. I'm about the only one dumb enough to keep encouraging your homophobic crap! I occasionally wonder if those of your Church are aware of what you're doing to Christianity . . .

More personal attacks on me from you?

Hmm, who said this would happen to us?

"Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.

But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

1 Peter 4

KID, it just needs to be highlighted that you present liberal and progressive theological positions that purely support your secular worldviews.

Very telling. Have you converted to Christianity KID?

I, on the other hand, do as Jesus and His Apostles teach. And of course, presenting REAL WORLD consequences of the gay pride movement against Christians and others that will not support it.


The following is from Paul to a young Minister that he is sendong to one of the most homosexual affirming societies in history Crete:

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

2 Timothy 4

[Clownboat]

Inhospitality labeled "equality" rights?

Gay Marriage Equality = Unequal Treatment for Heterosexuals

The following column by our friend Greg Quinlan first appeared on the website of PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays):

By Greg Quinlan

The homosexual push for equal marriage, otherwise known as genderless marriage, can only lead to a ban on heterosexual rights. With a President in power who endorses gay causes and readily misuses executive orders, and emboldened by their numerous wins for gay rights at the legislative and judicial level, homosexuals have now moved beyond equal rights to the more equal than you level. As a result, gay organizations are working to ban that practice they fear the most " heterosexual behavior.

Witness the ban on heterosexual therapy successfully pushed by homosexual groups in California. Even though no scientific evidence exists of a gay gene, parents in California are now prohibited from taking their children to see a therapist to resolve their childs unwanted same-sex attractions.

So for parents who discover that their son has been molested and is now sexually confused, their only option is to make an appointment with a gay-affirming therapist " because unlike heterosexual affirming therapy, gay-affirming therapy has not been declared illegal in California even though such therapy has not been proven beneficial by the APA.

Yet a parent can take their son to a therapist to approve gender blocking hormones so that the childs natural gender is stunted before he reaches puberty. In short, parents can attempt to change a childs gender, but they cannot change their childs sexual orientation unless it is to a homosexual identity.

This heterosexual ban did not come about by accident, because who would have considered it? Surely not parents, who want all therapeutic and medical options available for their child. So why would a state legislature like California ignore the wishes of parents and outlaw heterosexual therapy for children? Indeed, the original legislation banned heterosexual therapy for everyone, including adults.

Nor can we attribute the ban to the wacky state of California, because New Jersey is next on the list to outlaw heterosexual therapy for children, thanks to a New Jersey state assemblyman who has introduced the legislation.

But as a politically powerful and wealthy constituent group of the Democratic party, gay activists know from their successful gay marriage battles (never won at the ballot box) how to lobby for homosexual legislation regardless of its effect on society at large. So as gay activist organizations band together to demand that state legislatures ban heterosexual therapy, its anti-heterosexual consequences are ignored and the rights of parents over their own children are outlawed.

As a former homosexual, I understand the gays dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it marriage. Its about labeling others as gay as early as possible"witness the gay activist push into public schools"and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at whats happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexual behavior. Businesses and individuals who do not approve are fired from their jobs, threatened, or publicly castigated " as witnessed by the attempted but failed nationwide Chick-fil-A boycott by homosexuals.

The culture war is not slowing down; its just beginning to gain steam as gay organizations turn to anti-heterosexual legislation, mandatory public approval of sodomy, federal funding of gay youth activist organizations and homosexual initiatives, required government training against homophobia, heterosexism, and transphobia, etc., etc. This is more than a culture war; it is a war for our very own freedoms " a war for the character and future of our nation.

Homofascism will soon be, if it is not already, the greatest threat to our individual liberties in this country. So-called marriage equality is just the beginning.

###

Greg Quinlan is President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) and Executive Director of Equality and Justice For All.

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom"both young and old"surrounded the house. They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, No, my friends. Dont do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But dont do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.

Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!

Well treat you worse than them.

- Genesis 19

In the Orwellian world of homosexual activists and their liberal fellow travelers, diversity and inclusion have become the buzzwords of politically correct intolerance and active discrimination against faith-based organizations.

One long-suffering diversity victim is the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), which will see its sizeable grants from United Parcel Service (UPS) cease under a new UPS giving policy that requires that all grantees ban anti-gay discrimination. UPS reportedly gave the BSA more than $150,000 in 2010.

By Peter LaBarbera,

http://americansfortruth.com/

It's little wonder most of those on this forum have left you pretty well to me, 99percent. I'm about the only one dumb enough to keep encouraging your homophobic crap! I occasionally wonder if those of your Church are aware of what you're doing to Christianity . . .

More personal attacks on me from you?

Hmm, who said this would happen to us?

"Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.

But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

1 Peter 4

KID, it just needs to be highlighted that you present liberal and progressive theological positions that purely support your secular worldviews.

Very telling. Have you converted to Christianity KID?

I, on the other hand, do as Jesus and His Apostles teach. And of course, presenting REAL WORLD consequences of the gay pride movement against Christians and others that will not support it.


The following is from Paul to a young Minister that he is sendong to one of the most homosexual affirming societies in history Crete:

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

2 Timothy 4

I thought this was good question (wonder actually).
Is your Church aware of what you're doing to Christianity?

I'm going to guess that your church supports what you do. This is further evidence to me that people pick a church and version of god to follow that suites their needs.

This explains one reason that there are 38,000 denominations of Christianity and at the same time offers evidence as to why it is not true.

[99percentatheism]

Inhospitality labeled "equality" rights?

Gay Marriage Equality = Unequal Treatment for Heterosexuals

The following column by our friend Greg Quinlan first appeared on the website of PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays):

By Greg Quinlan

The homosexual push for equal marriage, otherwise known as genderless marriage, can only lead to a ban on heterosexual rights. With a President in power who endorses gay causes and readily misuses executive orders, and emboldened by their numerous wins for gay rights at the legislative and judicial level, homosexuals have now moved beyond equal rights to the more equal than you level. As a result, gay organizations are working to ban that practice they fear the most " heterosexual behavior.

Witness the ban on heterosexual therapy successfully pushed by homosexual groups in California. Even though no scientific evidence exists of a gay gene, parents in California are now prohibited from taking their children to see a therapist to resolve their childs unwanted same-sex attractions.

So for parents who discover that their son has been molested and is now sexually confused, their only option is to make an appointment with a gay-affirming therapist " because unlike heterosexual affirming therapy, gay-affirming therapy has not been declared illegal in California even though such therapy has not been proven beneficial by the APA.

Yet a parent can take their son to a therapist to approve gender blocking hormones so that the childs natural gender is stunted before he reaches puberty. In short, parents can attempt to change a childs gender, but they cannot change their childs sexual orientation unless it is to a homosexual identity.

This heterosexual ban did not come about by accident, because who would have considered it? Surely not parents, who want all therapeutic and medical options available for their child. So why would a state legislature like California ignore the wishes of parents and outlaw heterosexual therapy for children? Indeed, the original legislation banned heterosexual therapy for everyone, including adults.

Nor can we attribute the ban to the wacky state of California, because New Jersey is next on the list to outlaw heterosexual therapy for children, thanks to a New Jersey state assemblyman who has introduced the legislation.

But as a politically powerful and wealthy constituent group of the Democratic party, gay activists know from their successful gay marriage battles (never won at the ballot box) how to lobby for homosexual legislation regardless of its effect on society at large. So as gay activist organizations band together to demand that state legislatures ban heterosexual therapy, its anti-heterosexual consequences are ignored and the rights of parents over their own children are outlawed.

As a former homosexual, I understand the gays dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it marriage. Its about labeling others as gay as early as possible"witness the gay activist push into public schools"and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at whats happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexual behavior. Businesses and individuals who do not approve are fired from their jobs, threatened, or publicly castigated " as witnessed by the attempted but failed nationwide Chick-fil-A boycott by homosexuals.

The culture war is not slowing down; its just beginning to gain steam as gay organizations turn to anti-heterosexual legislation, mandatory public approval of sodomy, federal funding of gay youth activist organizations and homosexual initiatives, required government training against homophobia, heterosexism, and transphobia, etc., etc. This is more than a culture war; it is a war for our very own freedoms " a war for the character and future of our nation.

Homofascism will soon be, if it is not already, the greatest threat to our individual liberties in this country. So-called marriage equality is just the beginning.

###

Greg Quinlan is President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) and Executive Director of Equality and Justice For All.

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom"both young and old"surrounded the house. They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, No, my friends. Dont do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But dont do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.

Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!

Well treat you worse than them.

- Genesis 19

In the Orwellian world of homosexual activists and their liberal fellow travelers, diversity and inclusion have become the buzzwords of politically correct intolerance and active discrimination against faith-based organizations.

One long-suffering diversity victim is the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), which will see its sizeable grants from United Parcel Service (UPS) cease under a new UPS giving policy that requires that all grantees ban anti-gay discrimination. UPS reportedly gave the BSA more than $150,000 in 2010.

By Peter LaBarbera,

http://americansfortruth.com/

It's little wonder most of those on this forum have left you pretty well to me, 99percent. I'm about the only one dumb enough to keep encouraging your homophobic crap! I occasionally wonder if those of your Church are aware of what you're doing to Christianity . . .

More personal attacks on me from you?

Hmm, who said this would happen to us?

"Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.

But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

1 Peter 4

KID, it just needs to be highlighted that you present liberal and progressive theological positions that purely support your secular worldviews.

Very telling. Have you converted to Christianity KID?

I, on the other hand, do as Jesus and His Apostles teach. And of course, presenting REAL WORLD consequences of the gay pride movement against Christians and others that will not support it.


The following is from Paul to a young Minister that he is sendong to one of the most homosexual affirming societies in history Crete:

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

2 Timothy 4

I thought this was good question (wonder actually).
Is your Church aware of what you're doing to Christianity?

I'm going to guess that your church supports what you do. This is further evidence to me that people pick a church and version of god to follow that suites their needs.

This explains one reason that there are 38,000 denominations of Christianity and at the same time offers evidence as to why it is not true.

Sounds like the Christians practice tolerance and diversity like it should be. The odds are that some got it right and some didn't want to.

Think about it, my positions do not edit the New Testament. Nor do they change the meaning of Christian truth for secular and humanistic political correctness and pop culture to replace the faith delivered only one to the saints.

There is no such thing as same gender marriage in the New Testament. There is no support for redefining "marriage" as genderless either. "Genderless marriage," the newest neologism of the propaganda masters.

Your opinion on whether or not the Gospel is true is entered as such into the millions and millions of opinions out there in the world. That's a right you possess. But you should admit that the political cause of same sex marriage does not fit the Christian reality of acceptable sexual behavior as it is written in the New Testament. No amount of scripture twisting (or ignoring scripture) no amount of humanist justification, no amount of slinging derogatory labels at the Christians that refuse to alter the faith delivered only once to the saints to a version of some new social paradigm. And no attempt to replace the testimony of the New Testament witness with some secularized version of "Christian morality" is going to alter the facts of what a Christian marriage is, as defined in the New Testament.

Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. Isn't that how the liberals sayi it?

But He did detail that a marriage is a man and woman.

It is quite inhospitable to demand any other arrangement.

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

[Clownboat]

Inhospitality labeled "equality" rights?

Gay Marriage Equality = Unequal Treatment for Heterosexuals

The following column by our friend Greg Quinlan first appeared on the website of PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays):

By Greg Quinlan

The homosexual push for equal marriage, otherwise known as genderless marriage, can only lead to a ban on heterosexual rights. With a President in power who endorses gay causes and readily misuses executive orders, and emboldened by their numerous wins for gay rights at the legislative and judicial level, homosexuals have now moved beyond equal rights to the more equal than you level. As a result, gay organizations are working to ban that practice they fear the most " heterosexual behavior.

Witness the ban on heterosexual therapy successfully pushed by homosexual groups in California. Even though no scientific evidence exists of a gay gene, parents in California are now prohibited from taking their children to see a therapist to resolve their childs unwanted same-sex attractions.

So for parents who discover that their son has been molested and is now sexually confused, their only option is to make an appointment with a gay-affirming therapist " because unlike heterosexual affirming therapy, gay-affirming therapy has not been declared illegal in California even though such therapy has not been proven beneficial by the APA.

Yet a parent can take their son to a therapist to approve gender blocking hormones so that the childs natural gender is stunted before he reaches puberty. In short, parents can attempt to change a childs gender, but they cannot change their childs sexual orientation unless it is to a homosexual identity.

This heterosexual ban did not come about by accident, because who would have considered it? Surely not parents, who want all therapeutic and medical options available for their child. So why would a state legislature like California ignore the wishes of parents and outlaw heterosexual therapy for children? Indeed, the original legislation banned heterosexual therapy for everyone, including adults.

Nor can we attribute the ban to the wacky state of California, because New Jersey is next on the list to outlaw heterosexual therapy for children, thanks to a New Jersey state assemblyman who has introduced the legislation.

But as a politically powerful and wealthy constituent group of the Democratic party, gay activists know from their successful gay marriage battles (never won at the ballot box) how to lobby for homosexual legislation regardless of its effect on society at large. So as gay activist organizations band together to demand that state legislatures ban heterosexual therapy, its anti-heterosexual consequences are ignored and the rights of parents over their own children are outlawed.

As a former homosexual, I understand the gays dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it marriage. Its about labeling others as gay as early as possible"witness the gay activist push into public schools"and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at whats happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexual behavior. Businesses and individuals who do not approve are fired from their jobs, threatened, or publicly castigated " as witnessed by the attempted but failed nationwide Chick-fil-A boycott by homosexuals.

The culture war is not slowing down; its just beginning to gain steam as gay organizations turn to anti-heterosexual legislation, mandatory public approval of sodomy, federal funding of gay youth activist organizations and homosexual initiatives, required government training against homophobia, heterosexism, and transphobia, etc., etc. This is more than a culture war; it is a war for our very own freedoms " a war for the character and future of our nation.

Homofascism will soon be, if it is not already, the greatest threat to our individual liberties in this country. So-called marriage equality is just the beginning.

###

Greg Quinlan is President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) and Executive Director of Equality and Justice For All.

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom"both young and old"surrounded the house. They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, No, my friends. Dont do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But dont do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.

Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!

Well treat you worse than them.

- Genesis 19

In the Orwellian world of homosexual activists and their liberal fellow travelers, diversity and inclusion have become the buzzwords of politically correct intolerance and active discrimination against faith-based organizations.

One long-suffering diversity victim is the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), which will see its sizeable grants from United Parcel Service (UPS) cease under a new UPS giving policy that requires that all grantees ban anti-gay discrimination. UPS reportedly gave the BSA more than $150,000 in 2010.

By Peter LaBarbera,

http://americansfortruth.com/

It's little wonder most of those on this forum have left you pretty well to me, 99percent. I'm about the only one dumb enough to keep encouraging your homophobic crap! I occasionally wonder if those of your Church are aware of what you're doing to Christianity . . .

More personal attacks on me from you?

Hmm, who said this would happen to us?

"Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.

But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

1 Peter 4

KID, it just needs to be highlighted that you present liberal and progressive theological positions that purely support your secular worldviews.

Very telling. Have you converted to Christianity KID?

I, on the other hand, do as Jesus and His Apostles teach. And of course, presenting REAL WORLD consequences of the gay pride movement against Christians and others that will not support it.


The following is from Paul to a young Minister that he is sendong to one of the most homosexual affirming societies in history Crete:

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

2 Timothy 4

I thought this was good question (wonder actually).
Is your Church aware of what you're doing to Christianity?

I'm going to guess that your church supports what you do. This is further evidence to me that people pick a church and version of god to follow that suites their needs.

This explains one reason that there are 38,000 denominations of Christianity and at the same time offers evidence as to why it is not true.

Sounds like the Christians practice tolerance and diversity like it should be. The odds are that some got it right and some didn't want to.

Think about it, my positions do not edit the New Testament. Nor do they change the meaning of Christian truth for secular and humanistic political correctness and pop culture to replace the faith delivered only one to the saints.

There is no such thing as same gender marriage in the New Testament. There is no support for redefining "marriage" as genderless either. "Genderless marriage," the newest neologism of the propaganda masters.

Your opinion on whether or not the Gospel is true is entered as such into the millions and millions of opinions out there in the world. That's a right you possess. But you should admit that the political cause of same sex marriage does not fit the Christian reality of acceptable sexual behavior as it is written in the New Testament. No amount of scripture twisting (or ignoring scripture) no amount of humanist justification, no amount of slinging derogatory labels at the Christians that refuse to alter the faith delivered only once to the saints to a version of some new social paradigm. And no attempt to replace the testimony of the New Testament witness with some secularized version of "Christian morality" is going to alter the facts of what a Christian marriage is, as defined in the New Testament.

Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. Isn't that how the liberals sayi it?

But He did detail that a marriage is a man and woman.

It is quite inhospitable to demand any other arrangement.

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

People read their beliefs into the Bible.

That is why you can use it as a weapon against homosexuals and why others can use it as a guide to how they believe Jesus thought (love, acceptance...). Those "Jesus thoughts" allow homosexual acceptance, it's just a matter of how you read your personal beliefs into them.

Your personal beliefs seem clear, they are just different than other peoples personal beliefs, but all of us can read our beliefs into the Bible.

We all probably have personal beliefs that others would find repulsive, but you allow yourself to spew yours without any recourse because you have this false sense of moral authority that you have read your beliefs into IMO.

I am correct because there are plenty of Bible following churches that accept homosexuals.

[99percentatheism]

Clownboat

Inhospitality labeled "equality" rights?

Gay Marriage Equality = Unequal Treatment for Heterosexuals

The following column by our friend Greg Quinlan first appeared on the website of PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays):

By Greg Quinlan

The homosexual push for equal marriage, otherwise known as genderless marriage, can only lead to a ban on heterosexual rights. With a President in power who endorses gay causes and readily misuses executive orders, and emboldened by their numerous wins for gay rights at the legislative and judicial level, homosexuals have now moved beyond equal rights to the more equal than you level. As a result, gay organizations are working to ban that practice they fear the most " heterosexual behavior.

Witness the ban on heterosexual therapy successfully pushed by homosexual groups in California. Even though no scientific evidence exists of a gay gene, parents in California are now prohibited from taking their children to see a therapist to resolve their childs unwanted same-sex attractions.

So for parents who discover that their son has been molested and is now sexually confused, their only option is to make an appointment with a gay-affirming therapist " because unlike heterosexual affirming therapy, gay-affirming therapy has not been declared illegal in California even though such therapy has not been proven beneficial by the APA.

Yet a parent can take their son to a therapist to approve gender blocking hormones so that the childs natural gender is stunted before he reaches puberty. In short, parents can attempt to change a childs gender, but they cannot change their childs sexual orientation unless it is to a homosexual identity.

This heterosexual ban did not come about by accident, because who would have considered it? Surely not parents, who want all therapeutic and medical options available for their child. So why would a state legislature like California ignore the wishes of parents and outlaw heterosexual therapy for children? Indeed, the original legislation banned heterosexual therapy for everyone, including adults.

Nor can we attribute the ban to the wacky state of California, because New Jersey is next on the list to outlaw heterosexual therapy for children, thanks to a New Jersey state assemblyman who has introduced the legislation.

But as a politically powerful and wealthy constituent group of the Democratic party, gay activists know from their successful gay marriage battles (never won at the ballot box) how to lobby for homosexual legislation regardless of its effect on society at large. So as gay activist organizations band together to demand that state legislatures ban heterosexual therapy, its anti-heterosexual consequences are ignored and the rights of parents over their own children are outlawed.

As a former homosexual, I understand the gays dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it marriage. Its about labeling others as gay as early as possible"witness the gay activist push into public schools"and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at whats happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexual behavior. Businesses and individuals who do not approve are fired from their jobs, threatened, or publicly castigated " as witnessed by the attempted but failed nationwide Chick-fil-A boycott by homosexuals.

The culture war is not slowing down; its just beginning to gain steam as gay organizations turn to anti-heterosexual legislation, mandatory public approval of sodomy, federal funding of gay youth activist organizations and homosexual initiatives, required government training against homophobia, heterosexism, and transphobia, etc., etc. This is more than a culture war; it is a war for our very own freedoms " a war for the character and future of our nation.

Homofascism will soon be, if it is not already, the greatest threat to our individual liberties in this country. So-called marriage equality is just the beginning.

###

Greg Quinlan is President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) and Executive Director of Equality and Justice For All.

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom"both young and old"surrounded the house. They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, No, my friends. Dont do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But dont do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.

Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!

Well treat you worse than them.

- Genesis 19

In the Orwellian world of homosexual activists and their liberal fellow travelers, diversity and inclusion have become the buzzwords of politically correct intolerance and active discrimination against faith-based organizations.

One long-suffering diversity victim is the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), which will see its sizeable grants from United Parcel Service (UPS) cease under a new UPS giving policy that requires that all grantees ban anti-gay discrimination. UPS reportedly gave the BSA more than $150,000 in 2010.

By Peter LaBarbera,

http://americansfortruth.com/

It's little wonder most of those on this forum have left you pretty well to me, 99percent. I'm about the only one dumb enough to keep encouraging your homophobic crap! I occasionally wonder if those of your Church are aware of what you're doing to Christianity . . .

More personal attacks on me from you?

Hmm, who said this would happen to us?

"Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.

But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

1 Peter 4

KID, it just needs to be highlighted that you present liberal and progressive theological positions that purely support your secular worldviews.

Very telling. Have you converted to Christianity KID?

I, on the other hand, do as Jesus and His Apostles teach. And of course, presenting REAL WORLD consequences of the gay pride movement against Christians and others that will not support it.


The following is from Paul to a young Minister that he is sendong to one of the most homosexual affirming societies in history Crete:

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

2 Timothy 4

I thought this was good question (wonder actually).
Is your Church aware of what you're doing to Christianity?

I'm going to guess that your church supports what you do. This is further evidence to me that people pick a church and version of god to follow that suites their needs.

This explains one reason that there are 38,000 denominations of Christianity and at the same time offers evidence as to why it is not true.

Sounds like the Christians practice tolerance and diversity like it should be. The odds are that some got it right and some didn't want to.

Think about it, my positions do not edit the New Testament. Nor do they change the meaning of Christian truth for secular and humanistic political correctness and pop culture to replace the faith delivered only one to the saints.

There is no such thing as same gender marriage in the New Testament. There is no support for redefining "marriage" as genderless either. "Genderless marriage," the newest neologism of the propaganda masters.

Your opinion on whether or not the Gospel is true is entered as such into the millions and millions of opinions out there in the world. That's a right you possess. But you should admit that the political cause of same sex marriage does not fit the Christian reality of acceptable sexual behavior as it is written in the New Testament. No amount of scripture twisting (or ignoring scripture) no amount of humanist justification, no amount of slinging derogatory labels at the Christians that refuse to alter the faith delivered only once to the saints to a version of some new social paradigm. And no attempt to replace the testimony of the New Testament witness with some secularized version of "Christian morality" is going to alter the facts of what a Christian marriage is, as defined in the New Testament.

Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. Isn't that how the liberals sayi it?

But He did detail that a marriage is a man and woman.

It is quite inhospitable to demand any other arrangement.

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

People read their beliefs into the Bible.

That is part of the OP. Notice that the people celebrating gay sex are using non-biblical worldviews to cheer it on. There os is no such thing as encouraging homosexuality from the Biblical texts. So obviously the gay pride crowd is reading their beliefs into the Bible.

That is why you can use it as a weapon against homosexuals and why others can use it as a guide to how they believe Jesus thought (love, acceptance...). Those "Jesus thoughts" allow homosexual acceptance, it's just a matter of how you read your personal beliefs into them.

Nice interjection of humanistic and secular worldviews. I deny totally that I am using scripture as a weapon against anyone. No more so than the writers did.
I am just entering what they wrote into the debate. If YOU or anyone else take issue with that, that is your problem.

Your personal beliefs seem clear, they are just different than other peoples personal beliefs, but all of us can read our beliefs into the Bible.

Which "the Bible" contends against. I have asked ateists on several occasions to read the Bible to see if they can find any references to support of gay marriage or homosexuality anywhere in the New Testament and they have been honest and said no. But they did say they found just the opposite.

We all probably have personal beliefs that others would find repulsive, but you allow yourself to spew yours without any recourse because you have this false sense of moral authority that you have read your beliefs into IMO.

Accuracy, not moral authority. Ask the people that get a moving violation ticket from a Cop, if S T O P can mean anything other than stop.

I am correct because there are plenty of Bible following churches that accept homosexuals.

Tolerating does not mean support. But those organizations that are affirming are doing so just as you notice. They are using their secular worldviews in place of Biblical testimony. It has been a very familiar problem to the Church since the writers had to centend for the faith delivered only once to the saints. And when reading the "New Testament" several of the seperate writers, make it clear that they too are combating false teachings and false teachers IN the Church. Quite the same as happened to the Israelites time and time again.

As it is written . . .:

There's nothing new under the sun.

[KCKID]

People read their beliefs into the Bible.

That is part of the OP.

Um, does that constitute an admission that YOU include reading YOUR OWN personal beliefs into the Bible?

Notice that the people celebrating gay sex are using non-biblical worldviews to cheer it on.

If homosexuals are celebrating anything, 99percent, they are celebrating the freedom nowadays to be WHO THEY ARE as well as the realization that religious bigots are fast becoming a rarity and will eventually become a minority. It's only fairly recently that 'coming out' has become acceptable. Before then it was a case of their being imprisoned within themselves for fear of people such as yourself. I fully understand and support their celebrating their freedom to live their lives as THEMSELVES devoid of 'religious' restraints that are entirely man-made!

There os is no such thing as encouraging homosexuality from the Biblical texts. So obviously the gay pride crowd is reading their beliefs into the Bible.

And you're NOT?? Once again, 99percent ...the Bible is NOT God ...NOR is it Jesus. It's a book. I realize that you somehow can't wrap your mind around that concept but that is the way that it is. God of the OT - the creator of EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE - for some reason singles out one chosen people to favor while ignoring the probable billions of life supporting planets elsewhere in the cosmos and we're supposed to believe that THIS is the Creator simply because words on paper tell us this? Do you ever actually analyze your beliefs?

That is why you can use it as a weapon against homosexuals and why others can use it as a guide to how they believe Jesus thought (love, acceptance...). Those "Jesus thoughts" allow homosexual acceptance, it's just a matter of how you read your personal beliefs into them.

Nice interjection of humanistic and secular worldviews. I deny totally that I am using scripture as a weapon against anyone.

What??

No more so than the writers did.

Ah, so we're giving these writers - and yourself evidently - a license to use scripture as a weapon. So, why did you deny totally that you are using scripture as a weapon when you clearly ARE doing so?

I am just entering what they wrote into the debate. If YOU or anyone else take issue with that, that is your problem.

Why should it be a problem to anyone else what you think about anything? Your viewpoints on this topic are personally slanted and have nothing to do with the Bible anyway.

Your personal beliefs seem clear, they are just different than other peoples personal beliefs, but all of us can read our beliefs into the Bible.

Which "the Bible" contends against. I have asked ateists on several occasions to read the Bible to see if they can find any references to support of gay marriage or homosexuality anywhere in the New Testament and they have been honest and said no. But they did say they found just the opposite.

You actually asked atheists to read the Bible and they complied? That's a stretch. I would have thought that they would have more told you to go bite yourself. I couldn't imagine anyone putting themselves through the ordeal of reading a book such as the Bible that they don't believe in anyway simply to please you. That said, no one reads the Bible and comes to a definite understanding (if that's possible anyway) without suitable background with regard to what they are reading. Take yourself as an example. You use the scriptures as a weapon against others constantly without a clue as to the actual meaning behind those scriptures. And YOU refer to yourself as a Bible scholar!

We all probably have personal beliefs that others would find repulsive, but you allow yourself to spew yours without any recourse because you have this false sense of moral authority that you have read your beliefs into IMO.

Accuracy, not moral authority. Ask the people that get a moving violation ticket from a Cop, if S T O P can mean anything other than stop.

So, you consider yourself a "Bible cop"?

I am correct because there are plenty of Bible following churches that accept homosexuals.

Tolerating does not mean support. But those organizations that are affirming are doing so just as you notice. They are using their secular worldviews in place of Biblical testimony.

They are adhering to the command to "love your neighbor as yourself", 99percent. This should not simply be the following of a command but a human desire to accept others and be accepted by others. That's a difficult concept for you to get your head around, isn't it, 99percent? As I've said before, the Bible has become a millstone around your neck but pride, I suspect, gets in the way of your doing anything about it.

It has been a very familiar problem to the Church since the writers had to centend for the faith delivered only once to the saints.

Pride and arrogance has to be behind anyone that refers to themselves as 'a saint'. Man, oh man, when some people see the light they not only see the light but they are also blinded by it. For some that light takes the form of a shimmering halo above their heads.

And when reading the "New Testament" several of the seperate writers, make it clear that they too are combating false teachings and false teachers IN the Church. Quite the same as happened to the Israelites time and time again.

Unless you are teaching "love your neighbor" then you are truly a false teacher according to scripture.

As it is written . . .:

There's nothing new under the sun.

"As it is written" again, huh, 99percent? Gee, you like things that are 'written', don't you? Even then you don't appear to understand exactly 'WHAT is written'. Neither do I, incidentally, but I admit it. However, you DO know that Jesus is a 'heart thing' and not simply mere words on paper, don't you? Hmmm . . .evidently not.

[99percentatheism]

KCKID

People read their beliefs into the Bible.

That is part of the OP.

Um, does that constitute an admission that YOU include reading YOUR OWN personal beliefs into the Bible?

No. Just the opposite. It is just a reference to the gay pride crowd.

Notice that the people celebrating gay sex are using non-biblical worldviews to cheer it on.

If homosexuals are celebrating anything, 99percent, they are celebrating the freedom nowadays to be WHO THEY ARE as well as the realization that religious bigots are fast becoming a rarity and will eventually become a minority.

"Religious bigots"? You mean those that repent? Those that do not rewrite scriptures to support what they do not and cannot support? THAT would be more accurate to reality.

And what percentage of the gay community are flocking to the gay affirming Churches? It doesn't look like a stampede. There are still limts to what is and what isn't acceptable sexual and moral behavior even in those Churches. At least that is what I glean from their pamphlets and websites.

It's only fairly recently that 'coming out' has become acceptable.

Turned out you mean. Also "outing." Two rather nasty practices.

Before then it was a case of their being imprisoned within themselves for fear of people such as yourself. I fully understand and support their celebrating their freedom to live their lives as THEMSELVES devoid of 'religious' restraints that are entirely man-made!

It's interesting how often you have presented biblical positions for your gay pride support KID. Man made for sure.

There is is no such thing as encouraging homosexuality from the Biblical texts. So obviously the gay pride crowd is reading their beliefs into the Bible.

And you're NOT?? Once again, 99percent ...the Bible is NOT God ...NOR is it Jesus. It's a book. I realize that you somehow can't wrap your mind around that concept but that is the way that it is.

It is a book that does not support homosexualizing it.

You can't seem to understand that. I mean, as you say, you can't seem to wrap your mind around that.

God of the OT - the creator of EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE - for some reason singles out one chosen people to favor while ignoring the probable billions of life supporting planets elsewhere in the cosmos and we're supposed to believe that THIS is the Creator simply because words on paper tell us this? Do you ever actually analyze your beliefs?

Yup. Obviously. And I won't join your club because of that search. Why does that infuriate you so?

That is why you can use it as a weapon against homosexuals and why others can use it as a guide to how they believe Jesus thought (love, acceptance...). Those "Jesus thoughts" allow homosexual acceptance, it's just a matter of how you read your personal beliefs into them.

Nice interjection of humanistic and secular worldviews. I deny totally that I am using scripture as a weapon against anyone.

What??

Do the math KID. Thye gay pride movement in the Church comes from the world and its ways. NOT, the faith delivered only once to the saints.

No more so than the writers did.

Ah, so we're giving these writers - and yourself evidently - a license to use scripture as a weapon. So, why did you deny totally that you are using scripture as a weapon when you clearly ARE doing so?

I am contending for the faith. Nothing less. That that doesn't cheer on your secuarism isn't any of my concern.

I am just entering what they wrote into the debate. If YOU or anyone else take issue with that, that is your problem.

Why should it be a problem to anyone else what you think about anything? Your viewpoints on this topic are personally slanted and have nothing to do with the Bible anyway.

Make up your mind KID. Is the Bible "just a book" or is it important to Christians? I have no dog in this hunt. Gay pride is in the world and of it.

Your personal beliefs seem clear, they are just different than other peoples personal beliefs, but all of us can read our beliefs into the Bible.

Which "the Bible" contends against. I have asked ateists on several occasions to read the Bible to see if they can find any references to support of gay marriage or homosexuality anywhere in the New Testament and they have been honest and said no. But they did say they found just the opposite.

You actually asked atheists to read the Bible and they complied? That's a stretch.

I assume you are not lying. I am not lying either. I take your positions seriously. I'd advise you to treat mine likewise. You walk your side of the street and I'll walk mine.

I would have thought that they would have more told you to go bite yourself. I couldn't imagine anyone putting themselves through the ordeal of reading a book such as the Bible that they don't believe in anyway simply to please you.

Several people I know well are atheists. They're just not the anti-religious kinds.

That said, no one reads the Bible and comes to a definite understanding (if that's possible anyway) without suitable background with regard to what they are reading.

There are dozens of "translations" that a person can read and see (honestly) that same gender sexuality and gay marriage are no where to be found in any of them. Until we have a "translation" written by Mel White and his ilk. we never will.

Take yourself as an example. You use the scriptures as a weapon against others constantly without a clue as to the actual meaning behind those scriptures. And YOU refer to yourself as a Bible scholar!

You HAVE TO take that cliche position about me. How else can you justify your hate-filled accusations towards me. Very standard behavior from people on your side of the political and social divide. Got Obama reelected KID.

Obviously, I recognize how good you guys are at what you do. And, why.

We all probably have personal beliefs that others would find repulsive, but you allow yourself to spew yours without any recourse because you have this false sense of moral authority that you have read your beliefs into IMO.

Accuracy, not moral authority. Ask the people that get a moving violation ticket from a Cop, if S T O P can mean anything other than stop.

So, you consider yourself a "Bible cop"?

Ad hom where you cannot destroy the perfect analogy.

Noted yet again.

I am correct because there are plenty of Bible following churches that accept homosexuals.

Tolerating does not mean support. But those organizations that are affirming are doing so just as you notice. They are using their secular worldviews in place of Biblical testimony.

They are adhering to the command to "love your neighbor as yourself", 99percent.

Like I said. Make up your mind. Is scripture valuable or not? You pick and choose it like you're in a cafeteria getting lunch. It doesn't do for your positions what you think.

This should not simply be the following of a command but a human desire to accept others and be accepted by others. That's a difficult concept for you to get your head around, isn't it, 99percent?

Hmm, let me read the OP ONE MORE TIME!

I accept others in their own address preaching whatever floats their boat.

I guess you don't have that kind of tolerance and diversity in you?

As I've said before, the Bible has become a millstone around your neck but pride, I suspect, gets in the way of your doing anything about it.

I would be VERY careful using the millstone preaching. Especially since the LGBT community has tacked on the "Q" to their bandwagon. Jesus makes a dire threat to those that would lure children into sin and sinning.

It has been a very familiar problem to the Church since the writers had to centend for the faith delivered only once to the saints.

Pride and arrogance has to be behind anyone that refers to themselves as 'a saint'.

I have never underestimated the lack of historical knowledge of the comon liberal.

Pride and arrogance is called haughtiness.

Now look up (again) what Ezekiel says the sins of the Sodomites were.

Man, oh man, when some people see the light they not only see the light but they are also blinded by it. For some that light takes the form of a shimmering halo above their heads.

Sounds like a definition of how the typical homosexual is portrayed by your side. Just about perfect people.

And when reading the "New Testament" several of the seperate writers, make it clear that they too are combating false teachings and false teachers IN the Church. Quite the same as happened to the Israelites time and time again.

Unless you are teaching "love your neighbor" then you are truly a false teacher according to scripture.

I'm also supposed to good to my enemies. I pay my taxes KID. Also, I believe thsat loving your neighbor as yourself would include not supporting and encouraging sin in my own life and then holding others to the same standard right KID? I don't engage in gay behavior. Now go and do likewsie! See, practicing what I preach.

I have proven over and over again that I do not edit the Bible. Notice that I have also entered non-biblical documentation of the gay community too.

As it is written . . .:

There's nothing new under the sun.

"As it is written" again, huh, 99percent? Gee, you like things that are 'written', don't you? Even then you don't appear to understand exactly 'WHAT is written'. Neither do I, incidentally, but I admit it. However, you DO know that Jesus is a 'heart thing' and not simply mere words on paper, don't you? Hmmm . . .evidently not.

I learned the phrase "It is written," from the recording sayings of what Jesus said over and over again in the Gospels.

That is why I hold to the accurate view that marriage is a man and a woman.

And, as you have ponted out when you do use the Bible accurately, Jesus never said a word about homosexuals or homosexuality.