The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[Goat]

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years.

I have experience that this is a pipe dream of only a segment of society. But is that haughtiness I see in your words?

I'm with KCKID on this one.
Where did the pro slavery people go?
Where did the people against mixed marriages go?

They are still about. Why, it wasn't that long ago when racially mixed dates at a public school prom were prohibited by the school principle in Kentucky, and one of the parents who was interviewed agreed, saying 'Kind has to stay with Kind'.
(that was 1994 and 1995 ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Louis ... e_incident
In October 2009, Keith Bardwell, a Robert, Louisiana, Justice of the Peace, refused to officiate the civil wedding of an interracial couple because of his personal views; current state and federal laws have no restrictions against such a marriage in the United States.


And, someone I know recently went to Texas for college, and she told me that her history professor said (texas history is a requirement for any college degree) that 'Slaves were happy being slaves'.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 1692:

Nothing drives a pitiless population like gratifying lusts.

Or sanctimonious pride.

Yes, yes. The ubiquitous Gay Pride Parade.

I much prefer a parade to a stoning, metaphorical or otherwise, and I ain't even gay.


>edit out this part, 'cause I got to thinking it may be seen as challenging moderator rulings, but that wasn't my intent<


When we accept as "holy writ" any book, we risk the very sorts of discrimination and hatred that "holy text" contains.

[KCKID]

From Post 1692:

Nothing drives a pitiless population like gratifying lusts.

Or sanctimonious pride.

Yes, yes. The ubiquitous Gay Pride Parade.

I much prefer a parade to a stoning, metaphorical or otherwise, and I ain't even gay.


>edit out this part, 'cause I got to thinking it may be seen as challenging moderator rulings, but that wasn't my intent<


When we accept as "holy writ" any book, we risk the very sorts of discrimination and hatred that "holy text" contains.

A perfect example being this very thread.

[99percentatheism]

Clownboat

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years.

I have experience that this is a pipe dream of only a segment of society. But is that haughtiness I see in your words?

I'm with KCKID on this one.

There is no doubt about that.

Where did the pro slavery people go?

They were defeated by the Christian abolitionist movement and the second amendment of the United States Constitution. But slavery is very much alive and well on this planet still and the Christians are still engaged in stopping it. Where are the hands and voices of the secularists?

Where did the people against mixed marriages go?

Mixed marriages? At least for now, humans cannot "legally" marry animals of another species. At least not in the USA.

But trotting out a dead horse won't win you any race:

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise.

- Galatians 3

Now is the time for the anti gays to start disappearing into history.

Nero (with his male brides * ) couldn't wipe them out. The pro gays won't either. In fact with the rise of the gay pride movement, and the reality of its nature, the impact on the Christian mission of reaching out to sinners in a fallen world will only have more and more of that reality to ensure its growth. The Church grew under the dominance of Roman licentiousness. What we face today isn't any more powerful.

You will claim that as confirmation that your fight is just and that the persecution has been foretold.

Trying the "head them off at the pass" routine does not do away with the fact that The Church is being hated for what it has always been hated for.

. . . they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

- 1 Peter 4

But secular power has limited power and influence as can be seen by The Church still being around even today, when it is very much under durress in the west and the middle east and the far east.

How many liberals and secular progressives are under arrest for preaching humansim?

Just like the pro slavery and mixed marriage people did I'm sure.

Read Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address for the answer to African slavery and what stopped it.

Here allow me:

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other.

It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh."

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.

Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

- http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

Why do I feel sure? Because my church told us that if we are not being persecuted, we are not being good Christians.

It wasn't "The Church" that said that it. Here let me help you again:

If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

That is why the world hates you.

Remember what I told you: A servant is not greater than his master.If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also."

- Jesus

Gospel of John 15:18-20

So many churches seem to preach that persecution is to be expected.

Buck the world ands its ways and you get called hateful, bigoted, phobic, yada, yada, yada. Notice that the gay pride thing is championed by the world and its ways?

Well duh, teach hatefulness and you can expect persecution, but they will see that persecution as evidence of doing a gods work.

The historian Tacitus regarded Christianity as a pernicious superstition; Suetonius described it as novel and mischievous; Pliny the Younger as depraved and extravagant. Tacitus went as far as calling the Christians enemies of mankind. Therefore it is not surprising that ordinary people attributed to Christians all sorts of monstrosities such as infanticide and cannibalism, etc. According to Tertullian, Christians to the lions became the obligatory catch-cry of every riot.

- http://www.earlychristians.org/expansio ... ion_3.html

How many Apostles died of old age?

1

And even he was imprisoned on an Island for - like the other Apostles - no other crime (?) than preaching repentence and forgiveness of/fron sin, salvation in Christ, "membership" in the Church.

The more things change, the more they stay the same?

Isn't that how it goes?

Or is it: There is nothing new under the sun?

Thank you for the time to interact with you.




*

Marriage between males was not uncommon in ancient Rome; there are many references to it, in fact, and none of them are favorable, such as Lucians strange science fiction story about gay marriage on the Moon, described as an unusual custom (Lucian, True History 1.22). However, the most scandalous of these reports seem to be those involving the Emperor Nero, who participated in wedding ceremonies with men on at least three different occasions. The first, to Sporus:

[Nero] had a boy named Sporus castrated and tried to transform him into an actual woman; he married him in a regular wedding ceremony, with a dowry and a bridal veil, took him home in front of a great crowd, and treated him as his wife. A witty remark that someone made about this is still circulating: that human kind would have been well off, if his father Domitius had had the same kind of wife (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


The second, to Doryphorus, in which Nero was the bride:

he invented a new kind of game (so to speak) in which, dressed in the skin of a wild animal, he was released from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women who were bound to stakes and, when he had had enough of this savagery, he was finished off (as it were) by his freedman Doryphorus. This Doryphorus he took as his husband, just as Sporus had with him, and in doing so he imitated the cries and wailing of a virgin who is being raped (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


And the third, to Pythagoras, in which he was also the bride:

A veil was placed over the emperor, the interpreters of the auspices were sent; a dowry, a wedding bed and marriage torches -- in the end, everything that is concealed by night even in the case of a woman was on display (Tacitus, Ann. 15.37).

- http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/19 ... ve-we-come

[Clownboat]

Clownboat

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years.

I have experience that this is a pipe dream of only a segment of society. But is that haughtiness I see in your words?

I'm with KCKID on this one.

There is no doubt about that.

Where did the pro slavery people go?

They were defeated by the Christian abolitionist movement and the second amendment of the United States Constitution. But slavery is very much alive and well on this planet still and the Christians are still engaged in stopping it. Where are the hands and voices of the secularists?

Where did the people against mixed marriages go?

Mixed marriages? At least for now, humans cannot "legally" marry animals of another species. At least not in the USA.

But trotting out a dead horse won't win you any race:

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise.

- Galatians 3

Now is the time for the anti gays to start disappearing into history.

Nero (with his male brides * ) couldn't wipe them out. The pro gays won't either. In fact with the rise of the gay pride movement, and the reality of its nature, the impact on the Christian mission of reaching out to sinners in a fallen world will only have more and more of that reality to ensure its growth. The Church grew under the dominance of Roman licentiousness. What we face today isn't any more powerful.

You will claim that as confirmation that your fight is just and that the persecution has been foretold.

Trying the "head them off at the pass" routine does not do away with the fact that The Church is being hated for what it has always been hated for.

. . . they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

- 1 Peter 4

But secular power has limited power and influence as can be seen by The Church still being around even today, when it is very much under durress in the west and the middle east and the far east.

How many liberals and secular progressives are under arrest for preaching humansim?

Just like the pro slavery and mixed marriage people did I'm sure.

Read Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address for the answer to African slavery and what stopped it.

Here allow me:

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other.

It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh."

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.

Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

- http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

Why do I feel sure? Because my church told us that if we are not being persecuted, we are not being good Christians.

It wasn't "The Church" that said that it. Here let me help you again:

If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

That is why the world hates you.

Remember what I told you: A servant is not greater than his master.If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also."

- Jesus

Gospel of John 15:18-20

So many churches seem to preach that persecution is to be expected.

Buck the world ands its ways and you get called hateful, bigoted, phobic, yada, yada, yada. Notice that the gay pride thing is championed by the world and its ways?

Well duh, teach hatefulness and you can expect persecution, but they will see that persecution as evidence of doing a gods work.

The historian Tacitus regarded Christianity as a pernicious superstition; Suetonius described it as novel and mischievous; Pliny the Younger as depraved and extravagant. Tacitus went as far as calling the Christians enemies of mankind. Therefore it is not surprising that ordinary people attributed to Christians all sorts of monstrosities such as infanticide and cannibalism, etc. According to Tertullian, Christians to the lions became the obligatory catch-cry of every riot.

- http://www.earlychristians.org/expansio ... ion_3.html

How many Apostles died of old age?

1

And even he was imprisoned on an Island for - like the other Apostles - no other crime (?) than preaching repentence and forgiveness of/fron sin, salvation in Christ, "membership" in the Church.

The more things change, the more they stay the same?

Isn't that how it goes?

Or is it: There is nothing new under the sun?

Thank you for the time to interact with you.




*

Marriage between males was not uncommon in ancient Rome; there are many references to it, in fact, and none of them are favorable, such as Lucians strange science fiction story about gay marriage on the Moon, described as an unusual custom (Lucian, True History 1.22). However, the most scandalous of these reports seem to be those involving the Emperor Nero, who participated in wedding ceremonies with men on at least three different occasions. The first, to Sporus:

[Nero] had a boy named Sporus castrated and tried to transform him into an actual woman; he married him in a regular wedding ceremony, with a dowry and a bridal veil, took him home in front of a great crowd, and treated him as his wife. A witty remark that someone made about this is still circulating: that human kind would have been well off, if his father Domitius had had the same kind of wife (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


The second, to Doryphorus, in which Nero was the bride:

he invented a new kind of game (so to speak) in which, dressed in the skin of a wild animal, he was released from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women who were bound to stakes and, when he had had enough of this savagery, he was finished off (as it were) by his freedman Doryphorus. This Doryphorus he took as his husband, just as Sporus had with him, and in doing so he imitated the cries and wailing of a virgin who is being raped (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


And the third, to Pythagoras, in which he was also the bride:

A veil was placed over the emperor, the interpreters of the auspices were sent; a dowry, a wedding bed and marriage torches -- in the end, everything that is concealed by night even in the case of a woman was on display (Tacitus, Ann. 15.37).

- http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/19 ... ve-we-come

Blah blah blah blah blah.....

Learn your history, or you will be doomed to repeat it. IMO, this has nothing to do with religion, you are just using religion as your weapon as I explained in previous posts. Hate in humans seem to be a common thing, so I am not saying it is just the religious that have this hate. Think about some rival football teams. That very well could be an avenue to hate on some fellow humans in a (usually) fairly harmless way.

IMO, you and your kind, will die out and and will be replaced by a different group of haters that hate something else and they will also use religious doctrine to wield their hate.

These religious persecution campaigns seems to be a common cycle throughout history.
- Persecution of religions by other religions.
- Witch burnings.
- Using examples of slavery in the Bible to justify it in their own time.
- Mixed racial marriages.
- Homosexuality.
- The next item on the list.

Thus history comforts me in knowing that you and your kind will eventually be gone, but it still bothers me that so many humans must suffer before that time.

[99percentatheism]

Clownboat

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years.

I have experience that this is a pipe dream of only a segment of society. But is that haughtiness I see in your words?

I'm with KCKID on this one.

There is no doubt about that.

Where did the pro slavery people go?

They were defeated by the Christian abolitionist movement and the second amendment of the United States Constitution. But slavery is very much alive and well on this planet still and the Christians are still engaged in stopping it. Where are the hands and voices of the secularists?

Where did the people against mixed marriages go?

Mixed marriages? At least for now, humans cannot "legally" marry animals of another species. At least not in the USA.

But trotting out a dead horse won't win you any race:

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise.

- Galatians 3

Now is the time for the anti gays to start disappearing into history.

Nero (with his male brides * ) couldn't wipe them out. The pro gays won't either. In fact with the rise of the gay pride movement, and the reality of its nature, the impact on the Christian mission of reaching out to sinners in a fallen world will only have more and more of that reality to ensure its growth. The Church grew under the dominance of Roman licentiousness. What we face today isn't any more powerful.

You will claim that as confirmation that your fight is just and that the persecution has been foretold.

Trying the "head them off at the pass" routine does not do away with the fact that The Church is being hated for what it has always been hated for.

. . . they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

- 1 Peter 4

But secular power has limited power and influence as can be seen by The Church still being around even today, when it is very much under durress in the west and the middle east and the far east.

How many liberals and secular progressives are under arrest for preaching humansim?

Just like the pro slavery and mixed marriage people did I'm sure.

Read Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address for the answer to African slavery and what stopped it.

Here allow me:

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other.

It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh."

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.

Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

- http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

Why do I feel sure? Because my church told us that if we are not being persecuted, we are not being good Christians.

It wasn't "The Church" that said that it. Here let me help you again:

If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

That is why the world hates you.

Remember what I told you: A servant is not greater than his master.If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also."

- Jesus

Gospel of John 15:18-20

So many churches seem to preach that persecution is to be expected.

Buck the world ands its ways and you get called hateful, bigoted, phobic, yada, yada, yada. Notice that the gay pride thing is championed by the world and its ways?

Well duh, teach hatefulness and you can expect persecution, but they will see that persecution as evidence of doing a gods work.

The historian Tacitus regarded Christianity as a pernicious superstition; Suetonius described it as novel and mischievous; Pliny the Younger as depraved and extravagant. Tacitus went as far as calling the Christians enemies of mankind. Therefore it is not surprising that ordinary people attributed to Christians all sorts of monstrosities such as infanticide and cannibalism, etc. According to Tertullian, Christians to the lions became the obligatory catch-cry of every riot.

- http://www.earlychristians.org/expansio ... ion_3.html

How many Apostles died of old age?

1

And even he was imprisoned on an Island for - like the other Apostles - no other crime (?) than preaching repentence and forgiveness of/fron sin, salvation in Christ, "membership" in the Church.

The more things change, the more they stay the same?

Isn't that how it goes?

Or is it: There is nothing new under the sun?

Thank you for the time to interact with you.




*

Marriage between males was not uncommon in ancient Rome; there are many references to it, in fact, and none of them are favorable, such as Lucians strange science fiction story about gay marriage on the Moon, described as an unusual custom (Lucian, True History 1.22). However, the most scandalous of these reports seem to be those involving the Emperor Nero, who participated in wedding ceremonies with men on at least three different occasions. The first, to Sporus:

[Nero] had a boy named Sporus castrated and tried to transform him into an actual woman; he married him in a regular wedding ceremony, with a dowry and a bridal veil, took him home in front of a great crowd, and treated him as his wife. A witty remark that someone made about this is still circulating: that human kind would have been well off, if his father Domitius had had the same kind of wife (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


The second, to Doryphorus, in which Nero was the bride:

he invented a new kind of game (so to speak) in which, dressed in the skin of a wild animal, he was released from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women who were bound to stakes and, when he had had enough of this savagery, he was finished off (as it were) by his freedman Doryphorus. This Doryphorus he took as his husband, just as Sporus had with him, and in doing so he imitated the cries and wailing of a virgin who is being raped (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


And the third, to Pythagoras, in which he was also the bride:

A veil was placed over the emperor, the interpreters of the auspices were sent; a dowry, a wedding bed and marriage torches -- in the end, everything that is concealed by night even in the case of a woman was on display (Tacitus, Ann. 15.37).

- http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/19 ... ve-we-come

Blah blah blah blah blah.....

Learn your history, or you will be doomed to repeat it. IMO, this has nothing to do with religion, you are just using religion as your weapon as I explained in previous posts. Hate in humans seem to be a common thing, so I am not saying it is just the religious that have this hate. Think about some rival football teams. That very well could be an avenue to hate on some fellow humans in a (usually) fairly harmless way.

IMO, you and your kind, will die out and and will be replaced by a different group of haters that hate something else and they will also use religious doctrine to wield their hate.

These religious persecution campaigns seems to be a common cycle throughout history.
- Persecution of religions by other religions.
- Witch burnings.
- Using examples of slavery in the Bible to justify it in their own time.
- Mixed racial marriages.
- Homosexuality.
- The next item on the list.

Thus history comforts me in knowing that you and your kind will eventually be gone, but it still bothers me that so many humans must suffer before that time.

Look who is wrapping themselves up in the warm and comfy coat of persecution.

You have to be totally dismissive because the facts I presented expose the reality of decadence and licentiousness and its rise to power and its fall from grace.

YOU fail to recognize that is is the secular world that developed laws and repulsed homosexuality. And that after it had its heyday of populariityIn Rome and Ancient Greece, - DENS OF HOMOSEXUAL LICENTIOUSNESS . . . - there were still laws against the behavior. Roman marriage was matrimonium. Man and woman. Before, Christian political influence over the populace.

As you and yours grow in power, so what? The French revolutionaries, The anti-Church "secularists," were defeated and driven back into the underground after they took control and political power over the populace. And that was most recent history-wise.

It is a choice to indulge in lasciviousness. A choice to suport it and enciurage it. No matter the excuses to justify that to the contrary.

The historic record shows that the unrestrained taking control and influence among the populace. The pendulum is well greased and is being cranked up again. Hostory has shown that sexual degeneracy rises and and is repulsed over and over again.

Now, who is it that is forgetting history and repeating its darkest hours?

Certainly not the Christians that are living and preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You call that effort evangelism. History speaking that is.

History is no enemy to the Church. And it is the warmest of friends to the Gospel.

[KCKID]

It's taken me a while to get around to asking this question but ... how are those who have a natural predisposition towards others of the same gender attacking "Bible believing" Christians? What is it, precisely, that they are doing wrong that has evoked such ire from you? This question has probably been asked previously, and perhaps even been answered, but could you answer the question with a concise and brief response without lots of additional - and none relevant - padding? We seem to have reached the point in this debate where we can't seem to see the forest for the trees.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 1705:

It's taken me a while to get around to asking this question but ... how are those who have a natural predisposition towards others of the same gender attacking "Bible believing" Christians? What is it, precisely, that they are doing wrong that has evoked such ire from you? This question has probably been asked previously, and perhaps even been answered, but could you answer the question with a concise and brief response without lots of additional - and none relevant - padding?

They ain't agreeing, and such a condition is intolerable to one who invests so much emotional energy in their god concept.

We seem to have reached the point in this debate where we can't seem to see the forest for the trees.

We can't see the human for the book.

[99percentatheism]

KCKID

In light of today's highly charged "political correctness" dominating our secular, political and judicial cultures . . . how does a person (a Christian person) remain totally and solidly and unmovably commited to opposition of an adversary and do thst politely?

And please, feel free to quote the New Testament.

[KCKID]

KCKID

In light of today's highly charged "political correctness" dominating our secular, political and judicial cultures . . . how does a person (a Christian person) remain totally and solidly and unmovably commited to opposition of an adversary and do thst politely?

But, my point is ...why should someone who is involved privately and sexually with another consenting adult be an adversary to a 'Christian person' to begin with? What does what one does sexually with another consenting adult have to do with 'Christianity' per se? I mean, what spiritual qualifications are required - whether one be gay or straight - to sit in a church pew every week mouthing songs, saying a few prayers and listening to generally regurgitated sermons and doing damn-all else? Other than having an air of superiority and giving the appearance of 'being righteous' that's pretty well what the average Christian does, isn't it? So, what does one's being gay or straight have to do with Christianity?

And please, feel free to quote the New Testament.

Is there any particuar quote that you'd like?