Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 22, 23, 24  Next

Reply to topic
logical thinking
First Post
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:33 pm  Why do you believe in God? Reply with quote

Why do you believe in God?

What specific argument or evidence is it, that persuades you?

Can you please outline the argument or piece of evidence that you believe is the STRONGEST reason to believe in God?

For example, is it the beauty and majesty of trees? Is it the Kalam Cosmological argument? Pascal's wager? Is it that you witnessed what you believe is a miracle? Is it the fact that you think the Bible contains prophecies? Is it because it feels good to believe in something greater than yourself?

Why do you believe in God?
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 11: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:41 am
Reply
Re: Why do you believe in God?

Like this post
1213 wrote:

For me Bible is the greatest reason to believe. And that is because it has great knowledge and wisdom that I think people would not have without God.

In order to call something "great knowledge", you must first demonstrate that it is in fact knowledge (i.e that it is in fact true)

Name one piece of knowledge or wisdom in the Bible that would not exist if the Bible was never written?

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 12: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:47 am
Reply
Re: Why do you believe in God?

Like this post
JehovahsWitness wrote:

[Replying to post 1 by logical thinking]

For me it is just a logical inevitability, there has to be a "first cause" the "uncaused cause".

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The Universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the Universe had a cause.

How do you know the universe had a beginning?

The Scientific concensus is that it did

SINGULARITY: The theory that an infintesimal point of singularity always existed for all eterntiy in a totally stable condition suddenly exploded into change defies the law of inertia (things that are at rest stay at rest unless unless acted upon by a net unbalanced force).

If everything has to have a creator who made God?

The underlined bit is where you make an unjustified leap in logic. The point before concludes that "there was a first cause", then suddenly you talk about "God". When did "the first cause" become synonymous with "God"?

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Everything does not have to have a "creator", everything that had a BEGINNING had to have CAUSE. By definition "first cause" has no beginning and therefore needs no "creator" (cause)

You're defeating your own argument. You admit here that not everything needs a creator, it just needs a beginning. Why do you assume the beginning is necessarily a sentient, intelligent creator?

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 13: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:49 am
Reply

Like this post
Willum wrote:

But a God. That's simply impossible.

How so?

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 14: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:52 am
Reply
Re: Why do you believe in God?

Like this post
[Replying to post 12 by Justin108]
Quote:

For me it is just a logical inevitability, there has to be a "first cause" the "uncaused cause".

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The Universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the Universe had a cause.

How do you know the universe had a beginning?

The Scientific concensus is that it did

SINGULARITY: The theory that an infintesimal point of singularity always existed for all eterntiy in a totally stable condition suddenly exploded into change defies the law of inertia (things that are at rest stay at rest unless unless acted upon by a net unbalanced force).


"god" is what I is what is called first cause, I could have written "X" or "GwD" or "FC" its a place filler.

===================================================
===================================================

Please disregard my previous answer, I have changed my mind about it, I stand by only this one here.

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile Visit poster's website 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 15: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:21 am
Reply
Re: Why do you believe in God?

Like this post
JehovahsWitness wrote:

"god" is what I is what is called first cause, I could have written "X" or "GwD" or "FC" its a place filler.

It's a place filler that implies far too much. The moment you write "God" you are immediately assigning unjustified attributes, i.e that this first cause is sentient, intelligent, etc. I see no reason for a place filler at all. Why not just stick to calling it "the first cause"? Furthermore, if you did not mean to make the leap of concluding this first cause is God, then you did not address the OP. The question was "why do you believe in God?" Yet here you explain why you believe in the first cause. So the question remains: Why do you believe in God?

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 16: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:45 am
Reply
Re: Why do you believe in God?

Like this post
[Replying to post 15 by Justin108]

Fine well then I believe in FC and I'll leave the moderators and the OP to decide if my answer is relevant or irrelavant in this thread. It can be removed by a moderator if they think it is totally unrelated or inappropriate here.


JW

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile Visit poster's website 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 17: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:04 am
Reply
Re: Why do you believe in God?

Like this post
JehovahsWitness wrote:

[Replying to post 15 by Justin108]

Fine well then I believe in FC and I'll leave the moderators and the OP to decide if my answer is relevant or irrelavant in this thread. It can be removed by a moderator if they think it is totally unrelated or inappropriate here.


JW

I doubt the moderators will do anything about this as it doesn't violate any rules...

Why is the OP's opinion on this matter of particular importance? Can you honestly tell me that you answered the question when all you did was argue for the existence of a first cause rather than God as the question requested? A simple yes or no: Do you believe your response addressed the question asked in the OP?

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 18: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:14 am
Reply
Re: Why do you believe in God?

Like this post
Justin108 wrote:

JehovahsWitness wrote:

[Replying to post 15 by Justin108]

Fine well then I believe in FC and I'll leave the moderators and the OP to decide if my answer is relevant or irrelavant in this thread. It can be removed by a moderator if they think it is totally unrelated or inappropriate here.

JW

I doubt the moderators will do anything about this as it doesn't violate any rules...

Why is the OP's opinion on this matter of particular importance?


Good, I do my best not to violate rules, then my answer will probably remain. I refer to the OP out of courtesy since it is his/her thread and it was absolutely not my intention to deraille his thread by posting something unrelated to the question - I know how frustrating that can be.

Okay well then have an excellent day,

Peace out,
JW

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile Visit poster's website 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 19: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:22 am
Reply
Re: Why do you believe in God?

Like this post
JehovahsWitness wrote:


Good then it will remain. I refer to the OP out of courtesy since it is his/her thread and it was absolutely not my intention to deraille his thread - I know how frustrating that can be.

Okay well then, I guess all there is left to say is have an excellent day, goodbye,


JW

You blatantly refuse to answer relevant criticisms to your posts. This is the third time you just ignore relevant points I made. Is asking for an honest debate too much. Whenever you're cornered, you just close your ears and shut your eyes.

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile 
Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 20: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:27 am
Reply

Like this post
logical thinking wrote:



I encountered that same argument from a 4 year old once, who asked me "If Santa doesn't exist, then how do you explain the presents under the christmas tree?"


You've not quite understood your four-year-old jurist, then. He correctly sees presents whose provenance he has been assured are from Santa and hence he deduces that a giver exists. He is correct. A giver does exist. The nomenclature is irrelevant.

Goto top, bottom
View user's profile 
Display posts from previous:   

Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 22, 23, 24  Next

Jump to:  
Facebook
Tweet

 




On The Web | Ecodia | Hymn Lyrics Apps
Facebook | Twitter

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group.   Produced by Ecodia.

Igloo   |  Lo-Fi Version