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Gen 38:6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.
7 And Er, Judahs firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brothers wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brothers wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

I have heard many false teachings on this passage based on the ignorance of the teachers. Obviously those teachers don't understand Hebrew inheritance law. They equate the sin of Onan as masturbation when that wasn't even involved.

The question is WHY did Onan spill his seed and why did that anger Yah?

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[Replying to post 10 by Yahu]

I know what you feel. Thank you for sharing. I respectfully disagree. Is that alright? Can we just to agree to disagree?

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Yahu wrote:

7 And Er, Judahs firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

The question is WHY did Onan spill his seed and why did that anger Yah?
The question should be about the two random killings not about some trivial piece of sexuality.

How is it possible to read this tale about divine killing and glibly pass that over to consider someone spilling seed? Has the world gone mad?

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marco wrote:
Yahu wrote:

7 And Er, Judahs firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

The question is WHY did Onan spill his seed and why did that anger Yah?
The question should be about the two random killings not about some trivial piece of sexuality.

How is it possible to read this tale about divine killing and glibly pass that over to consider someone spilling seed? Has the world gone mad?
It is akin to withholding social security survivor's checks from your brother's widow. Caring for widows and orphans is kind of a big thing to Adonai?

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Yahu wrote:
The question is WHY did Onan spill his seed and why did that anger Yah?
It was birth control. To which displeased God.

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bluethread wrote:
Caring for widows and orphans is kind of a big thing to Adonai?
Well, given that he created the widows and orphans, it was his responsibility to make provision for the damage done. It seems he acts all too quickly and then considers the consequences. He regretted making man, then drowned nearly them all. A little forethought would have worked wonders - so to speak.

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marco wrote:
bluethread wrote:
Caring for widows and orphans is kind of a big thing to Adonai?
Well, given that he created the widows and orphans, it was his responsibility to make provision for the damage done. It seems he acts all too quickly and then considers the consequences. He regretted making man, then drowned nearly them all. A little forethought would have worked wonders - so to speak.
He did make provision. It is called a near kinsman. Your reference to the flood is a red herring.

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bluethread wrote:
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He did make provision. It is called a near kinsman. Your reference to the flood is a red herring.
Absurd. God kills the husband and then leaves somebody else to take responsibility. This type of divine involvement is what causes people to reject the OT tales. They sound like soap operas, with God no more than a big human, clumsy, angry, thoughtless and anything but provident.

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marco wrote:
bluethread wrote:
marco wrote:

He did make provision. It is called a near kinsman. Your reference to the flood is a red herring.
Absurd. God kills the husband and then leaves somebody else to take responsibility. This type of divine involvement is what causes people to reject the OT tales. They sound like soap operas, with God no more than a big human, clumsy, angry, thoughtless and anything but provident.
It appears that your desire to excuse human behavior, while standing in judgment of a deity has no bounds. I doubt anything short of lollipops and rainbows for everyone would suffice and you would probably fault Adonai for that to.

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bluethread wrote:
It appears that your desire to excuse human behavior, while standing in judgment of a deity has no bounds. I doubt anything short of lollipops and rainbows for everyone would suffice and you would probably fault Adonai for that to.
I am judging the performance of this deity in EXACTLY the way I would judge Jupiter in the various escapades he gets up to. They are both crowned deities, with terrestrial interests.
I do not for a moment think that a deity killed this or that person and then instructed an earthling to carry out some human obligation. If read as mythology, there is no hurt to human intelligence. If read as something that offers instruction, advice, hope or whatever to humans it is, as I said, an absurdity. If lollipops are involved they are a metaphor for the level of sophistication of the tale.

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It is perhaps no accident that the Tagalog (Pilipino) word for pillow is Unan.
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