Existentialism

Madeline · Post by **Madeline** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:37 pm

I have my view on why we were put on this earth and the purpose of our existence. I know that there are agnostics and atheist here who argue about our existence from a philosophical viewpoint. I'm as curious what some of you might reason as to why we exist—in a nutshell, please explain.

Love,
Madeline

Madeline · Post by **Madeline** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:09 pm

Curious wrote:No need to feel dirty. Masturbation is natural and healthy. It won't turn you blind. Do not confuse worldly desires with physical needs. You might as well beat yourself with a stick because you desire not to be in pain.

Are you a Christian, Or are you just in the usergroup? Because in Christianity masturbation is a sin regardless of how healthy you think it is. There is a thread on it in the Masturbation if you want to discuss it there. Rubbing my private parts is not something I am proud of. Now lets get this topic back on track!

Love,
Madeline

methylatedghosts · Post by **methylatedghosts** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:20 pm

Madeline wrote:
ENIGMA wrote:Why is it that all the Christians seem to think that living forever is necessarily a good thing? Aren't there any who actually give this matter some thought? ...Or even at least catch the right Outer Limits/Twilight Zone episodes?
Christians don't live in the twighlight zone. Even now they have a wonder personal relationship with God and fellowship with him—they're not willing to give this up. This is why Christians desire to live forever.

A personal relationship with someone usually involves each knowing the other in depth and being able to converse.

ENIGMA wrote:I take it that you are covering your bets with all the other currently worshipped deities? Don't want to end up on their bad side, do you?
Weeellll, I have actually tried other religions in the past and it left me with nothing but confusion and uncertainties. Christianity has taken me out of my former lifestyle of sexual indulgence and worldly pleasures. But I still struggle with it on occasion.

And what makes you think it is wrong?

Curious · Post by **Curious** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:03 pm

Madeline wrote:
Are you a Christian, Or are you just in the usergroup? Because in Christianity masturbation is a sin regardless of how healthy you think it is. There is a thread on it in the Masturbation if you want to discuss it there. Rubbing my private parts is not something I am proud of. Now lets get this topic back on track!

Love,
Madeline

ok, let's get it back on track. You did ask me a question though so I will answer it. I am a Christian. Masturbation is NOT a sin, I can assure you of that.
Chimpanzees masturbate frequently but this is natural and not sinful. The only difference between your masturbating and a chimp masturbating is opinion. Chimps do not believe they are defying God by acting in this way. If you act in a way that you believe is contrary to God's law, then you are in sin. If you believe that God says you must not masturbate and you do, then you are in sin. To defy God is to be in sin, but to act in accordance is to be without sin. You believe that masturbation is sinful and still do it. It is not the masturbation that is causing you to be in sin but the belief that masturbation is sinful. You might covet that which is not yours in your mind and this might lead you to physical action. You might covet while eating but this does not make eating a sin.

Madeline · Post by **Madeline** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:46 pm

methylatedghosts wrote:A personal relationship with someone usually involves each knowing the other in depth and being able to converse.

Sure you can have a personal relationship with God. Christians converse with God through prayer and He reveals himself to us through his word. The more we study his word guided by the Holy Spirit, the more we are in tuned with God.

methylatedghosts wrote:And what makes you think it is wrong?

What makes me think whats wrong?

Curious wrote:ok, let's get it back on track. You did ask me a question though so I will answer it. I am a Christian. Masturbation is NOT a sin, I can assure you of that.
Chimpanzees masturbate frequently but this is natural and not sinful. The only difference between your masturbating and a chimp masturbating is opinion. Chimps do not believe they are defying God by acting in this way. If you act in a way that you believe is contrary to God's law, then you are in sin. If you believe that God says you must not masturbate and you do, then you are in sin. To defy God is to be in sin, but to act in accordance is to be without sin. You believe that masturbation is sinful and still do it. It is not the masturbation that is causing you to be in sin but the belief that masturbation is sinful. You might covet that which is not yours in your mind and this might lead you to physical action. You might covet while eating but this does not make eating a sin.

Umm...I don't feel comfortable discussing masturbation on this thread, it doesn't seem appropriate. Anyways, do you know if chimpanzees are lusting after other chimpanzees? Do chimpanzees get married? There lies the difference! Jesus taught that lusting after another person is adultery in ones heart. You are correct that the belief that masturbation is sinful, Jesus said it. And as a Christian, you ought to adhere to this moral principle.

Love,
Madeline

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:30 am

Curious wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
BTW a one year old has no idea of right or wrong.

Nonsense. A cuddle and a sweetie is right, a slap on the arse is wrong.

off topic, but...

That is purely Skinnerian behaviourism. The onset ability the ability to determine of right and wrong is well documented in modern psychology. Ever heard of Piaget?

Curious · Post by **Curious** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:01 pm

bernee51 wrote:
Curious wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
BTW a one year old has no idea of right or wrong.

Nonsense. A cuddle and a sweetie is right, a slap on the arse is wrong.
off topic, but...

That is purely Skinnerian behaviourism. The onset ability the ability to determine of right and wrong is well documented in modern psychology. Ever heard of Piaget?

Right and wrong are subjective opinion, that is all I am saying. Even a one year old can be subjective. The ability to determine the thoughts and preferences of others is no indication of the ability to distinguish between right and wrong.

Curious · Post by **Curious** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:04 pm

Madeline wrote: Umm...I don't feel comfortable discussing masturbation on this thread, it doesn't seem appropriate. Anyways, do you know if chimpanzees are lusting after other chimpanzees? Do chimpanzees get married? There lies the difference! Jesus taught that lusting after another person is adultery in ones heart. You are correct that the belief that masturbation is sinful, Jesus said it. And as a Christian, you ought to adhere to this moral principle.

Love,
Madeline

Sorry if my input made you uncomfortable. I am also sorry for my innuendo, which could have made you very uncomfortable. Seriously though, you should make up your own mind as to whether something is sinful. To believe that something is sinful because you are told it is sinful, while at the same time believing that humans have the capacity to know right from wrong, makes no sense whatsoever. No human believes it is wrong until told by others that it is vile and disgusting. Even a sociopath realises their actions harm others. Some actions harm no one. Maybe the context might be unsavoury but that isn't the issue.