The Bible has a “stellar archaeological record�?

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The Bible has a “stellar archaeological record�?

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The Bible has a “stellar archaeological record�?

From a current thread:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
psychdave – OP Title wrote: How much of the Bible can actually be proven true?
I don't know that one can put a figure to it or any other historical document. The bible has a stellar archelogical record but in the end, the only thing we can say for sure is that nothing in it has been proven to be untrue.
Exactly WHAT constitutes the Bible's supposed “stellar archaeological record�? Cite evidence, references, studies.
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Re: The Bible has a stellar archaeological record?

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Talishi wrote:Jeremiah prophesied the Babylonian Vacation would last 70 years. Archaeology says it lasted 49 years. JWs alter history to make it come back out to 70 years by introducing the date 607 BCE as a thing, when nothing of note happened then.
#QUESTION: Why does the date given by Jehovah's Witnesses for the Fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians, differ from that given by most historians of 587?



Jehovah's Witnesses have not chosen the date arbitrarily, 607 is based on bible chronology which explicitly states the exile was for 70 years (See 2 Chronicles 36:21, 22, NIV). Since both the bible and secular historians agree that the Jewish exile was ended by 537 counting back from that date we arrive at that date of 607 BCE. We view it as reasonable to favor bible chronology over the available secular sources for the following reasons.

#1 The bible has often been vindicated as to its archelogical detail when the consensus had previously been against it, proving it has a stellar record in this regard.

#2 The bible account of the Fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians were written much closer to those upon which the later date was based (the Babyloniaca, for example was written about 281 BCE) and Ptolemy compliled his list of Babylonian kings some 600 years after the Neo-Babylonian period ended. The bible writer Jeremiah and Daniel on the other hand, were eye witnesses of the events.

#3 Historians who lived close to the time when Jerusalem was destroyed give mixed information about the Neo-Babylonian kings and while the consensus on Ptolemy's list is that it was generally reliable, it's proven omissions mean it cannot be legitimately viewed as a definite historical chronology. See below.

This did not prevent him from making his own additions and interpretations. - Scholar R. J. van der Spek, Studies in Ancient Near Eastern World View and Society, page 295 (Commenting on the accuracy of the Neo-Babylonian Priest Berossus, one source for the later date)

In the past Berossus has usually been viewed as a historian [yet] considered as such his performance must be pronounced inadequate. Even in its present fragmentary state the Babyloniaca contains a number of surprising errors of simple fact . . . In a historian such flaws would be damning, but then Berossus purpose was not historical. -- S. M. Burstein, The Babyloniaca of Berossus, page 8.

Regarding Ptolemy

[Ptolemy's canon was] an artificial scheme designed to provide astronomers with a consistent chronology and was “not to provide historians with a precise record of the accession and death of kings. -- Christopher Walker, (Historian at the British Museum)Mesopotamia and Iran in the Persian Period, pages 17-18.

It has long been known that the Canon is astronomically reliable, but this does not automatically mean that it is historically dependable. -- Leo Depuydt, Professor of Egyptology and Assyriology, Brown University

CONCLUSION "The Bible clearly states that there was an exile of 70 years. There is strong [biblical] evidence and most scholars agree that the Jewish exiles were back in their homeland by 537 B.C.E. Counting back from that year would place Jerusalem's destruction in 607 B.C.E. Though the classical historians and the canon of Ptolemy disagree with this date, valid questions can be raised about the accuracy of their writings." Watchtower October 1 p. 31



Detailed articles below
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/
http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011736

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INTRODUCTION: The discovery of ancient artifacts (pottery, ruins of buildings, clay tablets, coins, documents, monuments, and inscriptions) by archaeologists in Bible lands has supported the historical and geographic accuracy of the Bible.
RESPONSE: Really? What evidence is there that Hebrews were ever in Egypt or had an Exodus?

Isn't that folklore that was written around 800-700 AD?

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/the-jewis ... h-1.420844

“The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. I'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources. Of these, nothing exists.
“It is hard to believe that 600,000 families (which would mean about two million people) crossed the entire Sinai without leaving one shard of pottery (the archeologist's best friend) with Hebrew writing on it. It is remarkable that Egyptian records make no mention of the sudden migration of what would have been nearly a quarter of their population, nor has any evidence been found for any of the expected effects of such an exodus; such as economic downturn or labor shortages. Furthermore, there is no evidence in Israel that shows a sudden influx of people from another culture at that time. No rapid departure from traditional pottery has been seen, no record or story of a surge in population.�

See also:

The Bible Unearthed - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/f/f ... bible.html

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[Replying to post 22 by polonius.advice]

I think what he is trying to say is that it doesn't get everything wrong, therefore, those things that it does get right validate everything else.

A stellar record for him means about 20%. If we draw analogies, that means practicing the religion means that 20% of your soul, or 20% of the people have 20% of the information necessary to get into to heaven.

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Willum wrote: [Replying to post 22 by polonius.advice]

I think what he is trying to say is that it doesn't get everything wrong, therefore, those things that it does get right validate everything else.

A stellar record for him means about 20%. If we draw analogies, that means practicing the religion means that 20% of your soul, or 20% of the people have 20% of the information necessary to get into to heaven.
RESPONSE:

Are you implying that his posts aren't entirely accurate? ;)

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[Replying to polonius.advice]

No, don't do that to me:
We are talking about the Bible's stellar record, not our fellow poster, whose record is very consistent in my respectful opinion.
I will never understand how someone who claims to know the ultimate truth, of God, believes they deserve respect, when they cannot distinguish it from a fairy-tale.

You know, science and logic are hard: Religion and fairy tales might be more your speed.

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How much of the Bible's contents are valid?

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Willum wrote:

[Replying to post 22 by polonius.advice]
I think what he is trying to say is that it doesn't get everything wrong, therefore, those things that it does get right validate everything else.

A stellar record for him means about 20%. If we draw analogies, that means practicing the religion means that 20% of your soul, or 20% of the people have 20% of the information necessary to get into to heaven.
Polonius then asked:
Are you implying that his posts aren't entirely accurate?
Willum posted:
No, don't do that to me:

We are talking about the Bible's stellar record, not our fellow poster, whose record is very consistent in my respectful opinion.
Question: Then are you saying that in your opinion 20% consistency in the Bible is very consistent???

"...those things that it does get right validate everything else." How do you reach that conclusion about the other 80% of the Bible being validated?
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[Replying to post 26 by polonius.advice]

I haven't looked it up today, but some one some time investigated the historical accuracy of the Bible, and concluded 20% - whether by fact, or by time, or what I forget. I am saying anyone who claims stellar accuracy means that the 20% is stellar accuracy.

Thanks for you patience.

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Does this establish usable facts?

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Willam posted:
I haven't looked it up today, but some one some time investigated the historical accuracy of the Bible, and concluded 20% - whether by fact, or by time, or what I forget. I am saying anyone who claims stellar accuracy means that the 20% is stellar accuracy.

Thanks for you patience.

Best regards.
RESPONSE:

So your opinion is that only 20% of the Bible is accurate. Is that what you are saying?
Actually, you may be right! ;)

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Re: Does this establish usable facts?

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No, I am saying that somebody smart studied the Bible and it was their position that it was about 20% accurate.

I can't find it anymore, it's all polluted by Bible groups saying that because the Bible mentions something, that everything else must be right.

You notice math and religion never go hand an hand?
I will never understand how someone who claims to know the ultimate truth, of God, believes they deserve respect, when they cannot distinguish it from a fairy-tale.

You know, science and logic are hard: Religion and fairy tales might be more your speed.

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