JW's: Who is the speaker in Revelation 22:12?

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Tue May 09, 2017 10:47 am

Revelation 22:12
Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. (NASB)

The speaker in Revelation 22:12 refers to Jehovah and not to the Lord Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: The Alpha and the Omega of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God. The expression, Look! I am coming quickly, in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as coming to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) (Alpha and Omega, Volume 1)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000208

The speaker in Revelation 22:12 refers to the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: In the last book of the Bible, the glorified Christ Jesus stresses the suddenness of his coming, saying: I am coming quickly. (Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20) (Prove Yourself Ready for Jehovah's Day, December 15, 2003)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003924

Who is the speaker in Revelation 22:12?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue May 09, 2017 5:04 pm

Faber wrote: Who is the speaker in Revelation 22:12?

JEHOVAH

"Jehovah,the King of eternity, now addresses readers of Revelation forthe last timein the prophecy,saying "Look I am coming quickly..." - Revelation, it's Grand Climax at Hand, page 316 par. 6

Learn more: The Book of Revelation, what Does it Mean?
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... evelation/

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Tue May 09, 2017 9:34 pm

The speaker in Revelation 22:12 refers to the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: In the last book of the Bible, the glorified Christ Jesus stresses the suddenness of his coming, saying: I am coming quickly. (Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20) (Prove Yourself Ready for Jehovah's Day, December 15, 2003)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003924

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Wed May 10, 2017 3:47 pm

Faber wrote: The speaker in Revelation 22:12 refers to the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: In the last book of the Bible, the glorified Christ Jesus stresses the suddenness of his coming, saying: I am coming quickly. (Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20) (Prove Yourself Ready for Jehovah's Day, December 15, 2003)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003924

The scriptures sited are Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20 which is a combination of both Jesus and Jehovah saying they are coming quickly. Watchtower is not just talking about Rev 22:12. JWs don't believe Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. Our publications are not flawless or inspired by God, so it is appears Rev 22:12 got tossed in for good measure. Yet this doesn't change our views, the information in the Insight book is correct view of Jehovah's Witnesses. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000208

tigger2 · Post by **tigger2** » Wed May 10, 2017 6:08 pm

Furthermore the NWT still shows, by use of quotation marks, that the speaker who begins speaking at Rev. 22:12 stops speaking at 22:15. Then a new speaker (Jesus) begins at 22:16.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Wed May 10, 2017 6:23 pm

[Replying to post 4 by 2timothy316]

I would point out the purpose of brackets is to shed light on a particular point, not necessarily or restricted to, who is speaking. In this case the WT is pointing out other scriptures where the same expression is used by Jehovah. Scriptures are never just " tossed in for good measure", there is in my experience, always a point but it isn't necessarily always linear.

To identify who is understood to be speaking or to whom a particular expression is specifically attributed, the magazines will systmatically use a name or a title "quotation marks".

JW

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed May 10, 2017 6:23 pm

2timothy316 wrote:
Faber wrote:Our publications are not flawless
Does this mean there are errors in them?

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:09 pm

Faber wrote: The speaker in Revelation 22:12 refers to the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: In the last book of the Bible, the glorified Christ Jesus stresses the suddenness of his coming, saying: I am coming quickly. (Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20) (Prove Yourself Ready for Jehovah's Day, December 15, 2003)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003924

You are misinformed. You'd be better off to go straight to the source of JWs' beliefs to find the correct ideas. www.jw.org Instead of the out-in-left-field apostate websites.

In every instance of "Alpha & Omega," the reference is to Jehovah. That includes Rev.22:12,13.

Insight on the Scriptures, 1988, Vol.I, pp.80,81, states that Rev.22:13 is "the final occurrence of the title 'Alpha & Omega,' and that 'it is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter. Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John, verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus, the first part of verse 17 is credited to "the spirit and the bride," and the one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 'The Alpha & Omega' of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.

"The expression, 'Look! I am coming quickly,' in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of Himself as 'coming' to execute judgment. (Compare Isaiah 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his 'messenger of the covenant."

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2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:42 pm

Faber wrote:
2timothy316 wrote:
Faber wrote:Our publications are not flawless
Does this mean there are errors in them?
Yes. Didn't you know we are just people?

Are you saying everything you write is perfect? If so I have scripture ready to go just for anyone claiming to be perfect. Also you are seeing what you want to see. I don't see what you see because I know what my brothers mean to say. You look for fault. Do you know what the Bible says about those that look to judge others for their faults?

The people you got your doctrine from, are they perfect and sinless?

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:47 pm

onewithhim wrote:
Faber wrote: The speaker in Revelation 22:12 refers to the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: In the last book of the Bible, the glorified Christ Jesus stresses the suddenness of his coming, saying: I am coming quickly. (Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20) (Prove Yourself Ready for Jehovah's Day, December 15, 2003)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003924
You are misinformed. You'd be better off to go straight to the source of JWs' beliefs to find the correct ideas. www.jw.org Instead of the out-in-left-field apostate websites.

Is the following site apostate?
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003924

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