Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:14)

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Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:14)

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John 8:14
Jesus answered and said to them, Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going (NASB).

Why do some deny the Lord Jesus is God even though the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony alone was to be believed (cf. Deuteronomy 17:6)?

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Re: Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:14)

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Faber wrote: John 8:14
Jesus answered and said to them, Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going (NASB).

Why do some deny the Lord Jesus is God even though the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony alone was to be believed (cf. Deuteronomy 17:6)?
Ok I'm reading John 8:14 over and over and I'm not finding any mention of Jesus claiming he is God

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Re: Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:14)

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Faber wrote: John 8:14
Jesus answered and said to them, Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going (NASB).

Why do some deny the Lord Jesus is God even though the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony alone was to be believed (cf. Deuteronomy 17:6)?
The testimony of any person with a good reputation for truthfulness should be believed.

And at most, that verse only indicates that Jesus was Heaven sent. That could be interpreted in different ways, as the JW interpretation proves.
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Re: Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:14)

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Faber wrote: John 8:14
Jesus answered and said to them, Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going (NASB).

Why do some deny the Lord Jesus is God even though the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony alone was to be believed (cf. Deuteronomy 17:6)?
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Please tell us where Jesus said clearly that he was God

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Matthew 8.14-17

14 When Jesus entered Peters house, he saw his mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever; 15he touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she got up and began to serve him. 16That evening they brought to him many who were possessed by demons; and he cast out the spirits with a word, and cured all who were sick. 17This was to fulfil what had been spoken through the prophet Isaiah, He took our infirmities and bore our diseases.

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Where does it say that Jesus is God exactly? What an imagination you seem to have?

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This means that He is the highest authority (God) and thus does not depend on any other to substantiate His assertion.
*ONLY* God's testimony by itself was to be accepted - all others needed at least two or three witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6). The fact that the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony by itself was to be accepted apart from any other witnesses in John 8:14 proves that He is God.

Norman Geisler and Patrick Zuckerman: That is, Jesus as God incarnate is the highest authority and needs no one to validate his claim (The Apologetics of Jesus, page 23).

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Faber wrote: This means that He is the highest authority (God) and thus does not depend on any other to substantiate His assertion.
*ONLY* God's testimony by itself was to be accepted - all others needed at least two or three witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6). The fact that the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony by itself was to be accepted apart from any other witnesses in John 8:14 proves that He is God.

Norman Geisler and Patrick Zuckerman: That is, Jesus as God incarnate is the highest authority and needs no one to validate his claim (The Apologetics of Jesus, page 23).
Do you know why you fail to convince any of us non-Trinitarians?

Seldom do you answer a question or a scripture directly.

Instead, off you go on a tangent you think is relevant and proves your point.

The scripture you use in your op in no way says or proves what you assume it does.

I think you are unable to find anywhere Jesus claim, in plain straightforward language, to be God.

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Checkpoint wrote:
Faber wrote: This means that He is the highest authority (God) and thus does not depend on any other to substantiate His assertion.
*ONLY* God's testimony by itself was to be accepted - all others needed at least two or three witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6). The fact that the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony by itself was to be accepted apart from any other witnesses in John 8:14 proves that He is God.

Norman Geisler and Patrick Zuckerman: That is, Jesus as God incarnate is the highest authority and needs no one to validate his claim (The Apologetics of Jesus, page 23).
Do you know why you fail to convince any of us non-Trinitarians?
Yes, because those who deny the Lord Jesus is God who claim they believe the Bible do not go by how the words of the Bible are properly defined.

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Faber wrote:This means that He is the highest authority (God) and thus does not depend on any other to substantiate His assertion.
*ONLY* God's testimony by itself was to be accepted - all others needed at least two or three witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6). The fact that the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony by itself was to be accepted apart from any other witnesses in John 8:14 proves that He is God.

Norman Geisler and Patrick Zuckerman: That is, Jesus as God incarnate is the highest authority and needs no one to validate his claim (The Apologetics of Jesus, page 23).
So when you said "Jesus claimed to be God", you were lying. Because what you're telling me here is that Jesus said that his testimony is to be believed and that you interpreted it as meaning that Jesus is God.

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I wasn't lying because it is implied. You and I can not justifiably say our testimony alone is valid concerning the things of God. Indeed, OT prophets would affirm "thus saith the Lord" but the Lord Jesus is to be believed by His testimony alone because it is supreme ("but I say unto you...").

This doesn't apply to any created being but to God alone.

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