Jesus was not a Christian

[paarsurrey1]

Jesus was a Jew and he did not start a new religion called Christianity. Christianity was started by Paul and the Church. Right, please?
Regards

[dio9]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

Your are correct , Christianity put a new spin on what the mission of Messiah was. The question then becomes what was Jesus trying to do? What do you say?

[Clownboat]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

Your are correct , Christianity put a new spin on what the mission of Messiah was. The question then becomes what was Jesus trying to do? What do you say?

I would assume he picked up where John the Baptists left off. Offering another pathway to a god which bypassed the temples.

Then, decades later comes Paul.

[Willum]

Well, yes, from every angle.
He did not practice Judaism.
If you believe that Jesus father was human, Jewish lineage is not necessarily passed down by mother, that is a very modern convention: If his father were the Greek, Tiberius Panthera, he was Greek.
If his father were human, he was the product of a sinful union, and the Bible states children of unholy unions are unclean to ten generations.

If you believe his father were God, than he was not genetically Jewish, as we may well presume that God's DNA overwhelmed Mary's.

Further he did not obey the commandments.

So, he is proscribed from the OT from being Jewish, therefore he could only be Christian.

[paarsurrey1]

[Replying to post 3 by Clownboat]
Jesus' mission was the same as was of John the Baptist- the cousin of Jesus. They both wanted that the people should follow the original teachings of Moses, please.
Regards

[Clownboat]

[Replying to post 3 by Clownboat]
Jesus' mission was the same as was of John the Baptist- the cousin of Jesus. They both wanted that the people should follow the original teachings of Moses, please.
Regards

The Mission of John the Baptist (3:1"20)
At the heart of John's message was the call to a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (v. 3). This baptism symbolized both initiation and cleansing. It was used as a rite of initiation for gentile converts to Judaism, and the Jews practiced frequent ritual washings to cleanse themselves from defilement. The Baptist's claim that God could raise up from stones children to Abraham (v. 8) suggests that he regarded baptism as an initiation into a spiritual Israel. He also saw it as a symbol of cleansing from moral defilement. He put great emphasis on judgment and the need to bear fruit in conduct (vv. 7-9). He addressed social questions, including the sharing of clothes and food, honesty among tax collectors, and avoidance of injustice by soldiers.
https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/ ... hn-Baptist

The bold was being done without the need for going to the temple. This is why I claim his mission was to provide another pathway to god that bypassed the need for going to temple.

Did John want people to follow the laws of Moses? Perhaps, but that does not seem to be what he was about according to his actions (baptizing).

Can you show baptisms in the Old Testament? If so, that might help your claim. If not, see mine as it seems to make sense according the the Bible stories.

[marco]

Jesus was a Jew and he did not start a new religion called Christianity. Christianity was started by Paul and the Church. Right, please?
Regards

The nice opinions that Christ expressed may collectively be called Christianity and those who follow Christ's instruction and example are Christian. At 12, Einstein didn't work with relativity. At 30, Christ was still to express himself. When he died, his form of expression was called after him. It could as well have been Jesusanity, but Christianity sounds better. We can say, then, that he endorsed Christianity if, indeed, his followers properly interpreted what he said.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

Your are correct , Christianity put a new spin on what the mission of Messiah was. The question then becomes what was Jesus trying to do? What do you say?

I would assume he picked up where John the Baptists left off. Offering another pathway to a god which bypassed the temples.

Then, decades later comes Paul.

I agree he was for bypassing the Temple cult. He was acting as a traditionally anticipated Jewish type Messiah. He was not a Christian.

[bluethread]

I agree he was for bypassing the Temple cult. He was acting as a traditionally anticipated Jewish type Messiah. He was not a Christian.

I think He opposed the cult(s) that had developed around the Temple, but He never opposed the concept of the Mishkan and the sacrificial system, that I am aware of.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 3 by Clownboat]
Jesus' mission was the same as was of John the Baptist- the cousin of Jesus. They both wanted that the people should follow the original teachings of Moses, please.
Regards

Would that be killing those who worship (apparently nonexistent) gods?