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Replying to post 108 by Justin108]
I don't want a summary of the conclusion, I want a summary of the evidence behind the conclusion.
That doesn't appear to be what you originally were asking for.
Nonetheless you are asking for a lot of data, even in summary form. Why should I bother to do this thing for you?
I have quite a substantial data base in my Members Notes which you have free access to any time you want. Have you gone over that data?
Link to my Members Notes
Therein you will find ample reasons for my conclusions based upon my ability to sort the vast amounts of confirming and conflicting data I have sifted through. Not to say that I have shared everything, but it is data and there may be something of what you are looking for therein.
If you are still pining for scientific evidence in relation to my subjective experience...I shouldn't have to continue to remind you about scientific method and subjective experience...
If you are seeking data which may help you to create some sort of test involving replicating something I have done and seeing for yourself what results are forthcoming, another member is also wanting the same and I am thinking about the things I have done which I directly connect with my initiate experiences which eventually lead me to connect with the EE on a personal level and how I might convey the summary of that, that perhaps replicating tests can be performed based upon the same conditions being applied.
You do not understand the analogy. I am not comparing the experiences, I am illustrating that one can misinterpret an experience. As the man did in assuming it was a vampire, so is it possible that your assumption that your experience is the result of some sort of Earth Entity may also be a flawed interpretation of experience.
Your assumption is you are dealing with someone who has some kind of mental disease, and thus your approach and attitude You are way to quick with the conclusions, and your assumption that I am someone who would overlook such a detail encourages you to make a point to notify me in case I have done.
Your condescension is once more noted.
Are you claiming that God can be proven to exist?
At the very least I am claiming that the evidence of ID is abundant. I also repeat my claim that to the individual, GOD can indeed be proven to exist.
You seem to overlook that part. Perhaps because it requires the individual to make an effort. Or perhaps, like many others who like to maintain lack of belief in GOD, making any effort places that personality in risk of losing the lack.
Who knows really. Do you?
Once again, as with the challenge I issued before, you are avoiding addressing my rebuttals by making excuses. What the creature is (vampire, fairy, garden gnome) is utterly irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with my analogy. It illustrates my point perfectly. You just refuse to address it and instead use a myriad of excuses to avoid the question. This is quite telling.
The problem with your use of analogy, regardless, is that they don't convey an adequate representation of the local GOD. If you are going insist on replacing what I have said with simplistic analogies that appeal to your sense of superiority and the accompanying necessity to condescend, then use of such analogies are really no more or less than tools through which you can do so. Not very useful at all.
I asked how you know it is not simply your own thoughts? In other words, how do you know that all of your thoughts are not your own? Why do you assume some of your thoughts belong to some sort of external source?
I answered that.
....it is just like how someone else's thoughts can influence my own thoughts as interaction between the two entities happens, I can allow those thoughts to become part of my own thoughts - or not allow, as I choose.
It is in the allowing that another persons thoughts can become my own thoughts. This is a quite natural occurrence and I am surprised that I have to explain it, let alone explain it twice.
I see you trimmed over the part where I rephrased my request to you asking God to do it for you rather than using God.
I see you skimmed over the part where I said that if you want me to know private things about yourself you will have to tell me yourself as I am not interested in asking EE to be the medium between you and I in that regard.
I see you skimmed over the fact that I have already informed you that I have no interest in asking GOD to do for me what YOU want GOD to do for you.
You want to push your demands onto me while ignoring basic respect for my own feelings regarding what it is you want me to do for you.
See? You want me to ask GOD to do something for you that
I don't want to ask GOD. How do you think GOD would respond to that. Would GOD force me to do something I don't want to do simply because you want me to do it?
No, GOD would not. God say's "If you don't want to do that William, You don't have to, and neither do I.
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I did. Your argument still comes down to God not wanting to show itself.
No. Your argument comes down to you not wanting to have GOD show itself on any terms but the ones you dictate.
That is not how it went for me. No one did the work on my behalf. As it happens, I met GOD halfway.
If you want to repeat that, I can give you the data as to the process I went through to come to that. Sounds to me from what you have so far presented, that it is very unlikely you would be interested in the data let along in repeating it to see if it works for you as well.
While I would not be able to replicate this experiment, it would be sufficient to confirm to myself whether or not your claims are true.
So in the end there it is. You want the data even though you wont replicate it to see if it works or not, but will simply find the data sufficient enough to
subjectively confirm for yourself whether or not my claims re my position are. in your subjective opinion, 'true'.
How do you suppose that I would even bother to spend time and energy compiling a summary list that you won't even use to do any actual science with?
