Mormonism is NOT Chistian

[doctrinematters]

[Overcomer]

You're right. Mormonism is a deceptive religion built on untruths. Mormons use the same terminology that Christians use, but they mean entirely different things by them. So they mislead people who know nothing about the real Jesus Christ or what the Bible really says.

It's scary for a Mormon to leave the religion because he/she would be ostracized from friends and family if he/she did so.

Bill McKeever is a Christian who lives in Utah. He's an expert on Mormonism and operates a good web site with lots of information for those who don't know much about the religion. It's here:

http://www.mrm.org/

When it comes to Bible verses, I think of these two when I consider Mormonism:

Matthew 7:21-23 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'LORD, LORD,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'LORD, LORD, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 1 by doctrinematters]

You are suggesting that, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", is not Christian? Of course they are Christian.

They follow the stories about a dude given the name of Jesus. Sure, they add some stuff to your book in the same way you added stuff to the Jew's book. They simply added stuff more recently than you did.

[Tcg]

You're right. Mormonism is a deceptive religion built on untruths.

You'd have to provide evidence that some religions are built on truth for this to be a valid reason to distinguish between them. What have you got?

It's scary for a Mormon to leave the religion because he/she would be ostracized from friends and family if he/she did so.

Once again, you'd have to provide evidence that this is different from any other religion and then of course provide evidence that it somehow is a determination factor between true and false religions. What have you got?

Matthew 7:21-23 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'LORD, LORD,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'LORD, LORD, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

If there were any reason to consider this authoritative in any way, it could just as easily be applied to your version of religion than any other. For a third time, evidence is needed here to back you're claim. What evidence can you present that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are being referred to here?

[ttruscott]

Mormonism is built upon the foundation of Joseph Smith's claim, which had no witnesses, that God and Jesus appeared to him and told him when he was age 14, 15, or 16, that all Christian Creeds were an abomination and that those who believe them were all corrupt:

I am not a Mormon but I do not think you have proven it is Satanic here in this paragraph...

Who witnessed Paul's conversion? And did he not set himself against all other gospel interpretations but what he preached? How is that different from Mr. Smith.

Mormons have always cast aspersions on orthodox Christianity:

And Protestant against Catholics and vice versa and West Catholics against East Catholics and vice versa and Calvinists against Lutherans and vice versa etc etc...You have said nothing so far.

LDS.org: "Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians. They worship God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ."

Ummm, so do I?

However, they don't and won't tell you (unless you dig it out of their archives) that the "god" they call "the father," is an appointed god, grew up on another planet as a human being, and was "exalted" to his position of the god ruling over planet earth. This was taught by Joseph Smith, see Smith's King Follett Discourse and http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/ser ... sermon.htm

Finally we are getting somewhere... This claim is a serous claim that looks like a watershed claim, that is, the farther you follow it, the farther from the other side you get. Every Christian should take a serious look at this theology and know WHY they reject it if they do.

According to the Mormons, their jesus was simply the first spirit baby born to polygamous deities ruling planet earth. Satan was the second, thus making Jesus and Satan spirit brothers. Romney tried to weasel around this doctrine when he was running for President, but the evidence is overwhelming. Mormon jesus is simply a brother to all other spirits which make up humanity and angels, and demons. Mormon jesus atoned for sins in Gethsemane, and although he shed his blood to establish the New Covenant,

...sounds to me like every other non-Trinity theology extant and still nothing new.

Joseph Smith's blood was added to his in order to "restore" the New Covenant:

Ensign June 1994: " Like his Master, Joseph Smith also shed his blood in order that the final testament, the reestablishment of the new covenant, might be in full effect"

Ahhhh, real meat. I agree that there is nothing needed to be added to Christ's work and all religions who have sprung up so their theology or their Messiah could 'fulfil' what Jesus failed to do or to correct His errors are anathema to me.

HIS work is finished once for all. He has prophets who explain His reality and His work but there is no need for anyone to "reestablish the new covenant, so it might be in full effect!" What man can improve upon the work of GOD?

[dianaiad]

[dianaiad]

[Replying to post 1 by doctrinematters]

You are suggesting that, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", is not Christian? Of course they are Christian.

They follow the stories about a dude given the name of Jesus. Sure, they add some stuff to your book in the same way you added stuff to the Jew's book. They simply added stuff more recently than you did.

Y'know, I hit the 'like' button on this post, but on second thought, I think that it needs something more. You have stated, most succinctly, the essence of the difference between Mormonism and mainstream Christianity in three sentences. I love it. It's the perfect description as seen by someone 'outside the fray,' so to speak.

Mind you, the MORMONS would claim that the real difference is the priesthood; we have it, modern mainstream Christianity doesn't. That's why and how we can 'add stuff." They, on the other hand, (except for the Catholics who claim that THEY have it) claim that it isn't required or that all Christians have it, and there was to be no more revelation after the death of Jesus (which makes no sense, if you think about when the NT was written, but never mind logic).

But never mind the details. You nailed it.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 7 by dianaiad]

You dont think it absurd that the stuff you added pretends to sound like the KJV? Surely the hoax is clear now?

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 1 by doctrinematters]

You are suggesting that, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", is not Christian? Of course they are Christian.

They follow the stories about a dude given the name of Jesus. Sure, they add some stuff to your book in the same way you added stuff to the Jew's book. They simply added stuff more recently than you did.

You are near sighted...what they seem to have added is that all of orthodox Christianity is lies...not a "simple" addition at all.

[dianaiad]

[Replying to post 7 by dianaiad]

You dont think it absurd that the stuff you added pretends to sound like the KJV? Surely the hoax is clear now?

Wootah, my dear friend, if I thought it was a hoax, I wouldn't BE a Mormon. Yes, the BoM is written...and sounds to the ear very like...the KJV.

Now tell me: just for the sake of argument, you are a young man (a very young man, as it happens) and you have been given these plates and told to translate them. Yes, you have divine aid, but YOU have to write down the words. You are a product of your time, and scripture sounds like....well...the KJV.

So that's how you word things.

Now I might think you would have a really good point if the Doctrine and Covenants sounded like the KJV, but it doesn't.

I understand why someone who is already inclined to dismiss Mormonism as untrue and downright weird to see a problem, though.