The Knowledge of Good and Evil

[William]

If we humans really had the knowledge of good and evil, wouldn't this suggest that good and evil are absolutes and that we should be able to agree on which is which?

What does it actually mean to have the KoGaE?

[ttruscott]

'the sinful elect' who shall marry that GOD because the are repentant demons who have chosen to believe that this GOD is their creator.

You miss the mark...

Not one of those sinners who marry YHWH were ever demons. There are two kinds of sinners: 1. those who are under HIS promise of salvation as they put their faith in HIM as their GOD before they sinned and 2. those who rejected YHWH as their GOD by faith that HE was a demon and a liar...making themselves demons. No demon can be redeemed. Only those who sinned the unforgivable sin are called demons or Satan's angels.

None of those elect who are redeemed and made heaven ready for the heavenly wedding ever sinned the unforgivable sin.

[tam]

[Replying to post 1 by William]

Peace to you William,

If you are referring to the TOKGB (the Tree of Knowing Good and Bad), then it is not referring to the tree of knowing the difference between good and bad, or something along those lines. As DI stated, that makes no sense. Rather it is the tree of knowing both good (meaning life) and bad (meaning death).


Note that God did not threaten to punish them with death if they ate from that tree. He simply told them the truth, warning them of the (natural) consequences. If they ate from that tree, then they would die.




Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Willum]

[Replying to post 12 by tam]

Ah, but they were probably going to die anyway.
Yahweh is a murderer, covenant-breaker, he has lied about many physical laws and phenomenon, it is more likely that he lied about them living forever - a difficult task, then that they were ever going to live forever anyway.

It is consistent with the sin paradigm, make up a crime he invented, then be the only thing that can hold it accountable. For eternity.

More likely Yahweh didn't have the salt to stop Satan, and blamed everyone but himself.

[William]

[Replying to post 10 by Divine Insight]

You hit the nail on the head right there.

It's only considered to be evil if we disapprove of it. But if we approve of it, suddenly it become justified as the "Right thing to do".

Human morality is definitely subjective. I don't see how there can be any doubt about that.

This seems certain. Even in relation to everything else, it is all subjectivity, which in itself isn't a good or evil thing. Just the nature of it.

In regard to Christianity, this evolved and went through various stages of change - sometimes helping, more often than not, hindering. Abramites will be the major contributors to the death of the world, due to such large numbers and the shared fact that most of them don't care for this world anyway.

The world is attempting to outgrow the many-headed (thus, many mouthed) entity of Abrahamic religions which presume to be the voice conscientiousness for the world although I am unconvinced the world knows a great deal better. Each to their own I say. That is the true nature of subjective experience.

Perhaps little more than much ado about nothing...

[William]

[Replying to post 11 by ttruscott]

There are two kinds of sinners: 1. those who are under HIS promise of salvation as they put their faith in HIM as their GOD before they sinned and 2. those who rejected YHWH as their GOD by faith that HE was a demon and a liar...making themselves demons....

I have said it before. That idea of GOD lacks maturity and ability to clean up his mess in the manner of a True GOD, not this imagined imbecile created in the image of elitist fraudulence. The message one preaches is lost, and will only attract those after its kind.

[1213]

So you are saying that the KoGaE is represented in the voice of conscientiousness and that it is good to go with, rather than against, the 'advice' of said inner voice?

That is an idea that I am thinking, but I am not sure yet is that the idea I think is correct.

.The 'voice of conscientiousness' can be far too fickle for that. Or completely rigid and unbending...but therein is the problem...if the Garden story was true, then why doesn't everyone have the same knowledge or inner voice of conscientiousness? It appears that the KoGaE is itself defective or lacking something essential to knowing, if indeed humans have it at all.

One reason for differences could be that some people have suppressed the voice, when they dont like it.

[William]

[Replying to post 16 by 1213]

One reason for differences could be that some people have suppressed the voice, when they dont like it.

Yes. That is a legitimate reason. Another is that the voice is 'bent' to suit the agenda of the one 'hearing' it. That is what I meant when I said;

It appears that the KoGaE is itself defective or lacking something essential to knowing, if indeed humans have it at all.

[font=Comic Sans MS]My voice will help you reconnect with me. It will enlarge your vision of my domain, purpose, and my unyielding love for each of my creation, no matter where or how you live. When I have spoken before to your planet, it was through a prism of personalities that bent my voice and colored its tone. My minds voice will not travel to your world unless it is transmitted through my creation and translated into word-symbols your mind can grasp. My hearts voice penetrates all worlds without translation as a sub-photonic light and inter-dimensional vibration that produces sound.[/font]~Excerpt from Chamber 23"One of three written elements from the body of work known as the WingMakers, ascribed to First Source.

The above may help one to see the difference enough to allow for the clarity of 'The Voice' to come through without the filtering lens of the prism of the hereditary ego-personality voice which bends and distorts that light.

Somehow 'knowing good and evil' or even 'life and death' as tam put it in post #12, acts more as a barrier/de-amplifier to ones ability to actual hear that voice correctly.

The information from the serpent of the story is corroborated by the GODs of same story in that the GODs have the same knowledge and also do not die.

Only - apparently humans do die...or do we? Much circumstantial evidence re the subject of life after death has it that no, we do not die at all.

So what exactly is this so-called 'knowing good from evil' really achieving for humans? We cannot even agree to what is good and evil, and surely it has not got us any closer to understanding GOD...or for that matter, those GODs of that story.

One is left wondering if those GODs, like the serpent, have been bending the light to suit their own agenda in relation to human beings and the whole story is a distraction, not unlike how a magician wants us to know what his right hand is doing but not what his left hand is doing at the same time.

[FarWanderer]

If we humans really had the knowledge of good and evil, wouldn't this suggest that good and evil are absolutes and that we should be able to agree on which is which?

What does it actually mean to have the KoGaE?

Well, it apparently makes you want to cover your nakedness. That much is clear. Jordan Peterson attributes Adam and Eve's need to cover their nakedness as awareness of their mutual vulnerability. And I think he's right. You can't do evil (harm with intent) without being conscious of the victim's vulnerability.

I believe this ties in with tam's post as well. Death and vulnerability go hand in hand.

[William]

[Replying to post 18 by FarWanderer]

Well, it apparently makes you want to cover your nakedness.

Much as does the weather.

Some even talk about the weather as if it were 'good' or 'bad'.

You can't do evil (harm with intent) without being conscious of the victim's vulnerability.

Would this also apply to doing good (help with intent)? If not, why not?

I believe this ties in with tam's post as well. Death and vulnerability go hand in hand.

Like nakedness, death can be faced without feeling vulnerable. This may also help with empathy for others.

Is one to think then that lack of vulnerability is lack of the knowledge of good and evil? Or has one gone through a transition which is part of the deeper knowing which seems to elude many in relation to the answer to the question..."What does it actually mean to have the KoGaE?"

[FarWanderer]

[Replying to post 18 by FarWanderer]

Well, it apparently makes you want to cover your nakedness.

Much as does the weather.

Some even talk about the weather as if it were 'good' or 'bad'.

The only difference between 'bad' and 'evil' is intent. The word 'good' actually has two meanings, one opposite to 'bad' and one to 'evil'.

You can't do evil (harm with intent) without being conscious of the victim's vulnerability.

Would this also apply to doing good (help with intent)?

Yes, of course. To do good is to preserve/nurture/protect that which is valuable. Only vulnerable things could ever require such protection.

I believe this ties in with tam's post as well. Death and vulnerability go hand in hand.

Like nakedness, death can be faced without feeling vulnerable. This may also help with empathy for others.

Is one to think then that lack of vulnerability is lack of the knowledge of good and evil?

Lack of knowledge of vulnerability is lack of knowledge of good and evil.

God lacks vulnerability, but he apparently has knowledge of good and evil. I have always considered it a problem. How can God fairly judge humans if God has never faced fear or suffering or hardship of any kind?

The Christian answer to this problem is Jesus's dual divinity and humanity. It is an interesting solution, but it of course comes with its own logical problems.