Replacement Theology - true or false?

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This is a controversial issue. The Church has answered "true" for most of its duration, but is now more likely to answer "false".

The debate centers around how the nation and people of Israel has been viewed by God since the coming of Jesus as Messiah and Savior.

It is basically about God's promises as found in the Old and New Covenant and how they are to be, or have been or are being, applied and fulfilled.

Questions arise, for example, as to just who are "God's chosen people".

Has Israel been "replaced" by believers, or what?

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Our faith is not in God's people but in God Himself, and in His Son Jesus Messiah.

Not at all what I said. Our faith should be in God, His son, and the Holy Spirit as is revealed to us via Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition (the Church).

Not intended to be what you said, but what God said!

Revealed to us this way:

Revelation 3:6

Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

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Not intended to be what you said, but what God said!

Again, I never said it was about me!. It is absolutely about what God said and God sent His only son in whom He is well pleased and told us to listen to His son. And that son established His Church and told us to listen to His Church. “Whoever has ears, let them hear� indeed!

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Not intended to be what you said, but what God said!

Again, I never said it was about me!. It is absolutely about what God said and God sent His only son in whom He is well pleased and told us to listen to His son. And that son established His Church and told us to listen to His Church. “Whoever has ears, let them hear� indeed!

We differ on this off-topic issue but seem to agree on our answer to the question I asked to start this thread.

Let's just leave it at that, for now.

[brianbbs67]

We are grafted into Isreal, sharing their promises and covenants. Ephesians 2: 11-16 sum it up pretty well.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh--who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands--
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who were once far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For he Himself is our peace, who made the both one, (circumcised and not) and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances(the curse of the law, the law's punishment)so as to create Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

This passage does explain well the grafting in of the Gentiles, but says nothing about the grafting of the Jews that also took and takes place.

Paul gives the full grafting teaching in Romans 11:

16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.� 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way e all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;

he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

27And this is f my covenant with them

when I take away their sins.�

28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now h receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

The verses you quote are to the Romans, ie Gentiles. He is addressing the gentiles once again. Saying if God cut off the Israelites branches(natural) don't think he won't cut off youu also.

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The verses you quote are to the Romans, ie Gentiles. He is addressing the gentiles once again. Saying if God cut off the Israelites branches(natural) don't think he won't cut off youu also.

He is pointing out how the replacement principle is now in operation.

The olive tree is Israel, and natural physical Israel has become supernatural spiritual Israel.