Reducing the number of abortions

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That is a really tough one. The 'morning-after' remedies would be a good choice. I'm guessing there are things that can be done the next day or 2 to make certain that the victim is not pregnant.
Pregnancy is not a "ping" - immediate conception - thing. It usually takes days or sometimes longer especially if the female is not ovulating at that precise time. Knowing that, it would be a positive to offer M-A Pills to the rape victim as they wouldn't have to think about the pregnancy angle at all, IF it were an option for them, - meaning - they would not necessarily at that moment actually BE pregnant, but taking the M-A Pill would ensure they didn't become pregnant due to that violation. The M-A Pill can actually be taken up to 3 days post "incident" as well, so would still be useful for females, if in the case of rape, did not report it immediately. Even ru486 (the abortion pill) can be taken up to 7 weeks into a pregnancy, safely, for females who don't report the rape in the first few days of it happening. MANY don't however report the rapes in the first place or at all. :(
I hate to sound like a heartless hard-a$$, but if a victim has been raped the first things I would think that would come to mind would be 'what I get a disease? What if I get pregnant?'. If they wait until the baby has a heartbeat things get really nasty indeed. Then we have to try to figure out just why is the baby different from a person in a coma on life support?
I have unfortunately had to deal with rape victims and usually their initial feelings have much to do with what they think they personally did wrong, for it to happen in the first place. It is more often than not someone they know than a stranger to violate them, hence them feeling a lot of "ownership" of blame. It is usually a few days before the anger element sets in and the other "what if's" start.
catalyst wrote:Many a supermodel have babies they have given birth to. Elle MacPherson, Heidi Klum, Cindy Crawford..Yasmin Le Bon..etc..just a few examples. So perhaps the other "supermodels" who may have had voluntary terminations, it too may have been a case of miscarriage or eptopic pregnancy over vanity.

We don't know. We just know that the "abortion numbers" are put out there, not taking the variables as to reasons into account.
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I don't know, but I doubt that pregnancies that were biologically threatening to the mother were illegal before '72 in the USA. I would compare the number of abortions before '72 and now.
I cannot find any data where it states that medically aided legal abortion (as in D&C) available prior to '72-73 in the USA, even to women suffering miscarriage.

I did read on the link (will provide below) states:
Estimates of the number of illegal abortions in the 1950s and 1960s ranged from 200,000 to 1.2 million per year. One analysis, extrapolating from data from North Carolina, concluded that an estimated 829,000 illegal or self-induced abortions occurred in 1967.

One stark indication of the prevalence of illegal abortion was the death toll. In 1930, abortion was listed as the official cause of death for almost 2,700 women—nearly one-fifth (18%) of maternal deaths recorded in that year. The death toll had declined to just under 1,700 by 1940, and to just over 300 by 1950 (most likely because of the introduction of antibiotics in the 1940s, which permitted more effective treatment of the infections that frequently developed after illegal abortion). By 1965, the number of deaths due to illegal abortion had fallen to just under 200, but illegal abortion still accounted for 17% of all deaths attributed to pregnancy and childbirth that year. And these are just the number that were officially reported; the actual number was likely much higher.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/1/gr060108.html

To me, it looks as though any form of D&C(as done now) was not done prior to the 1970's. :-k

I would like to make it clear here that I personally believe that this is one of the MANY issues in the world which should be addressed, but I also believe it should be tackled from a learned angle as to what constitutes ABORTION in reality- as in by actual definition of what it is, as opposed to the ASSUMED meaning of the word.

If it is the truly unwanted and CHOSEN to "get rid of" pregnancies, is the target of this thread, then wouldn't it be better to tackle the issues of contraception and sex etc and options available prior, rather than what to do about it AFTER? Work from a prevention angle, rather than a "what now?".

So that said, WHO is the target demographic here? As IM asked: "What does the OP mean by 'abortion'?". - in this thread.

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1. Education, Education, Education;
2. Lose the stigma of pre-marital sex and encourage smart decisions and alternatives to intercourse like mutual masterbation and oral sex;

Note: For me, as a mom of an 8 year old girl, encouragement will also mean discussing masterbation and vibrators such as
http://store.babeland.com/vibrators-mini/fukuoku-9000
when she gets a little older of course, because a young woman in charge of her own orgasm is more likely to exhert control of her sexual relationships.

3. Free, easy acces to birth control for young people (under 21) with no parental requirements;
4. Give girls, age 8 and up, books like "The Care and Keeping of Me" so they start caring for and controlling their bodies early; and
5. Free teen physicals in high-school, get them used to seeing an obgyn and talking about their bodies early.

The two largest mistakes that are being made today IMHO: Abstinence only education and lack of communication/education about sex by parents.

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Nyril wrote:Educate children on various birth control methods. Impress on them the extreme importance of using them. And then distribute them for no cost to the age groups in which you think abortion is most a problem (teens, most likely).

With no children being made, no children will be aborted.
Most abortions in the UK were carried out by married women in their late 20's to eairly 30's. Teens are not the main supplier of abortions. People of that age have practically no reason to have an abortion, and could afford one anyway.

Yet our government funds them...
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mrmufin wrote: Otseng has mentioned this topic a few times, and I think it's worthy of discussion:

How can the number of abortions be lowered?

Remember, folks: this forum is for discussion toward a common objective, not for debate on the issue of abortion...

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By providing the necessary socioeconomic stability that would allow pregnant women to give birth to a child without fear of consequences and repercussions.

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[Replying to post 83 by DogsOnAcid]
Yes I think this right. The problems are socioeconomic.

I was watching a video yesterday by Sir Ken Robinson. He points out that our education system is designed for another century and designed for industrial capitalism.

The ideologies that structure our institutions like education run so deep we do not notice how our attitudes and ideas are moulded. One idea is that we all - male and female - ought to strive to better ourselves and achieve the highest possible income within the capitalist model. This is reinforced by certain costs like the cost of housing - the value of which is set by the same system. The same system breaks up extended families by forcing them to move far apart in search of better paying work. This undermines support mechanisms. The value system is skewed to the idea of being a functional economic unit for fear of slipping down the ladder. These fears are real because that is the way the world works within that social model.

If new born babies were worth their weight in gold and the government could take an arm, abortions would be illegal. Barring some similar eventuality there is minimal underlying motivation within the capitalist model for bringing a pregnancy to all full term. Moreover if women are making informed economic decisions about their future then government will likely figure out that if these women do not have an abortion the child and the mother will be a drain on tax revenue. Given the current state of economies in the Western world these underlying forces are more true than ever. We don't need a new generation of workers anymore. the only reason to encourage a growing population is so that they may add to the Ponzi scheme that is welfare and pensions. But these schemes are only needed because of the failings of capitalism to provide full and well paid employment.

If the cost of good quality housing was cheap relative to income, and extended families remained in closer proximity because they did not chase work the other side of the country, I suspect this would mitigated against the number of abortions.

So to sum up: the root cause of many of our social evils is the mortgage and the entire economic system that goes with that idea., viz., capitalism. :eyebrow:

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mrmufin wrote: Otseng has mentioned this topic a few times, and I think it's worthy of discussion:

How can the number of abortions be lowered?

Remember, folks: this forum is for discussion toward a common objective, not for debate on the issue of abortion...

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mrmufin
1. Show our children that God is real so that they can be inspired and be comfortable searching His truths.
2. Teach our children God's precepts about chastity.
3. Teach our children about the depravity and the risks of pre-marital sex.
4. Teach our children the value of human life.
5. Teach our children about the purity and godliness of virginity.
6. Enact the death penalty for adultery.
7. Enact the death penalty upon those who create pornography.
8. Enact the death penalty for rape.
9. Enact the death penalty for incest.
10. Make abortion illegal.
11. Enact the death penalty upon those who cause abortions.

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How can the number of abortion be lowered?

Well... sexual education and anticonceptionals. Also, harsher policies against rapists and sex abusers.

Or female enslavement and death penalty for abortionists.

Or both.

It depends on the final objective and the ethics of the lawgiver.

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That is the right thing to do. They do not work together as Abortionists.

They scatter, Run, Hide and Keep Hiding.

Charging You and I for their eXpensive SeXual Adventures. I Totally Agree.

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mrmufin wrote: Otseng has mentioned this topic a few times, and I think it's worthy of discussion:

How can the number of abortions be lowered?

Remember, folks: this forum is for discussion toward a common objective, not for debate on the issue of abortion...

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mrmufin
Ultrasound.

There's some group or organization touring around the country in these busses that allow women to see their babies before they abort them. Supposedly they're changing these women's minds and they're keeping their babies. The busses look sort of like a muni or limo/ taxi bus. I forget the name of the organization, but they say that they're changing a lot of women's minds

There's also this movie that just came out recently. I think it's called "Unplanned". There was little to no advertising spent on mainstream news outlets, Google, Facebook, etc. Nobody would let them advertise their film, but it made all its money back the first weekend. It's spreading by word of mouth, and the movie is based upon a true story of the head of Planned Parenthood seeing an ultrasound and resigning only to take up the pro-life torch. I guess those ultrasounds have a big impact on how people view abortion.

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