Is the support for Trump contrary to Christian values?

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:38 pm

Does evangelical support for Trump create a crisis for Christianity?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... cn2gnaekoQ

Are his policies and personal character consistent with Christian values?

Related to this, should a Christian who wants to bear witness for the risen Christ sell all he has, give to the poor, and follow Jesus?
Or should he or she accumulate wealth to show he is blessed by God?

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:31 am

I guess if you can believe in a virgin birth, talking donkeys and snakes, a world wide flood, fiery chariots flying into the sky, and the reanimation of the dead, you can believe donald drumpf is a Christian.

2ndRateMind · Post by **2ndRateMind** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:06 pm

Danmark wrote: I guess if you can believe in a virgin birth, talking donkeys and snakes, a world wide flood, fiery chariots flying into the sky, and the reanimation of the dead, you can believe donald drumpf is a Christian.

You do not need to disparage Christianity to disparage the bully Trump. So far as I can ascertain, they are entirely disconnected entities. Thus, their elision does not seem conducive to clarity of thought.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:23 am

2ndRateMind wrote:
Danmark wrote: I guess if you can believe in a virgin birth, talking donkeys and snakes, a world wide flood, fiery chariots flying into the sky, and the reanimation of the dead, you can believe donald drumpf is a Christian.
You do not need to disparage Christianity to disparage the bully Trump. So far as I can ascertain, they are entirely disconnected entities. Thus, their elision does not seem conducive to clarity of thought.

How did I "disparage" Christianity? I simply recited Christian beliefs by reciting "virgin birth, talking donkeys and snakes, a world wide flood, fiery chariots flying into the sky, and the reanimation of the dead." Are you not proud of those beliefs? To claim my recitation was "disparaging" is to admit those beliefs are ridiculous. Is that your position?

BTW, did you mean to use 'elision?' "Their inclusion" would have made more sense. What i find incredible is that so many Christian groups seem to accept Trump as a Christian and support him because of that acceptance. This is a man who has shown over his lifetime that he is an inveterate liar, cheat, thief, adulterer, sexual predator, felon, racist, and boor. Why would Christians champion someone who represents the exact opposite of the example Jesus set?

I was raised an evangelical and even served in the mission field as a young adult. i have never met a Christian who acted like Trump, or would condone his behavior. I am completely mystified as to why the demographic of white evangelicals and so many 'Christian' groups fawn over him and wear MAGA hats. He isn't just the worst President we've ever had, he's the worst person to ever stand in the public square in my lifetime. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I love the Jesus I came to know thru the Gospels. That he is the antithesis of Trump seems obvious.

2ndRateMind · Post by **2ndRateMind** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:09 am

[Replying to post 43 by Danmark]

...I love the Jesus I came to know thru the Gospels. That he is the antithesis of Trump seems obvious.

I think we agree more than we disagree. And I am content to leave it so.

Best wishes, 2RM.

PS google has the verb 'to elide' as 'to join together, merge'. That was the sense in which I used the term 'elision'.

RightReason · Post by **RightReason** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:41 am

[Replying to post 43 by Danmark]

Quote:
...I love the Jesus I came to know thru the Gospels. That he is the antithesis of Trump seems obvious.

Doesn’t it also seem obvious Hillary Clinton and her being ok with killing babies, even after they are born is the antithesis of Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels? How about Bill Clinton getting it on in the oval office with Monica Lewinski. What about JFK’s extra marital affairs? How about Obama not fighting for the most vulnerable among us, the unborn, and instead pushing his extreme pro abortion/anti-life policies and programs?

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:41 pm

RightReason wrote: [Replying to post 43 by Danmark]

Quote:
...I love the Jesus I came to know thru the Gospels. That he is the antithesis of Trump seems obvious.
Doesn’t it also seem obvious Hillary Clinton and her being ok with killing babies, even after they are born is the antithesis of Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels? How about Bill Clinton getting it on in the oval office with Monica Lewinski. What about JFK’s extra marital affairs? How about Obama not fighting for the most vulnerable among us, the unborn, and instead pushing his extreme pro abortion/anti-life policies and programs?

This is the classic, and ridiculous anti logic known these days as 'whataboutism.'
It also cites false beliefs as if they were facts. Hillary Clinton has not suggested it is OK to kill babies.

When you 'whatabout' Bill Clinton for having consensual sex with Trump raping and feloniously touching people against their will, you are making the classic non logical 'whataboutism' error.

It's as if I criticized Hitler for killing millions and you said, "what about a boxer who knocks someone unconscious."

YOUR opinion on abortion is NOT established by the Bible or Jesus. Or can you quote Jesus on this? Go ahead, Try.

Actually I should thank you for your argument because that argument demonstrates my thesis, that there is a segment of what some claim is 'Christianity' that cares more about being anti Democrat policies than they care about the values Jesus expressed. Jesus taught us to love our neighbors and help the poor. Some who claim to be Christian seemed more concerned about abortion and same sex marriage than the love that is at the core of true Christian values.

RightReason · Post by **RightReason** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:02 am

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:56 pm

https://www.comicsands.com/pro-birth-tr ... Id7asymvBQ

A. This is NOT an abortion thread.
B. I find it criminally ironic that the same people who call themselves "pro life" consistently vote against aid to the poor. They want to force unwanted pregnancies, usually with parents who cannot afford more children, then vote against child care and public assistance. They seem to love 'people' until they are born.

RightReason · Post by **RightReason** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:22 pm

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:31 pm

RightReason wrote: [Replying to Danmark]

A. This is NOT an abortion thread.
It is a thread about politics and Christian values. Abortion (taking the innocent life of a baby in the womb) is not only a Christian value, it is a human rights issue!

No, it is not a "Christian" value. Christians are on both sides of the issue of a woman's right to choose, to control her own body. It is a POLITICAL ISSUE. I started the thread. it is about Trump betraying Christians values. Jesus never said a thing about abortion. Start your own thread on abortion. Please do not hijack this thread to bring in your pet POLITICAL issue.