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Lack of knowledge of the Bible?

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Lack of knowledge of the Bible?

It is not uncommon in these debates for Apologists attempting to defend the Bible to be (or claim to be) unaware of significant Bible passages, and to be enlightened by Non- or Ex-Christians. Example:
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1213 wrote: I dont think Bible tells it is ok to beat slaves.
It does. And they can even beat their indentured servants too.

Luke 12:47-48 (OK to beat indentured servants)

Exodus 21:20-21 (Ok to beat slaves just as long as they don't die within a couple of days.
Is it rational for a person to attempt to defend the Bible when they demonstrate (or claim) to be unaware of significant, and often poignant, passages?

Does such ignorance or willful ignorance damage / destroy the credibility of the defense?
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JehovahsWitness wrote:Just like one could clean a glass of water of the visible lumps of excrement, what is most dangerous would remain on a micrscopic level, invisible to the naked eye. We may think we have cleaned it but we may in fact be wrong. We may be taking in foreign and dangerous pathogens or rejecting something which the author intended as an integral apart of scripture.

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Are not such Christians putting more faith in themselves than in their God? More importantly, would an omnipotent God who deliberately chose not to filter and protect his word (obviously if he is omnipotent he could find a way if he wanted to) , in order to protect His children from the inevitable contamination of religious confusion (or the utter delusion of believing they are qualified to see everything clearly enough to decide what God thinks about every issue mentioned in scripture), be worthy of our adoration at all?
Extending this metaphor a bit (probably more than is wise, but I think it's funny), the problem is that the water hasn't even been cleaned enough to worry about whether the contamination is microscopic or not. There's still big chunks of poop floating in it.

The atheists see the poop and acknowledge it for what it is. Most atheists avoid it altogether, but some atheists are like me and swim in it. We're careful to keep our mouths closed, though.

Some Christians are willing to recognize the poop as poop will at least try to filter out the biggest and most obvious chunks. Maybe they add a slice of lemon or a dash of Universalism to make it taste better.

In the spirit of your last paragraph, however, far too many Christians simply have faith that those big chunks can't be poop. God wouldn't let that stuff get into the reservoir and if some got in there, He'd scoop it out for us. In fact, those are raisins! And prunes! Don't you know a candy bar when you see it? You can't prove that's not a Baby Ruth!

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marco wrote: To continue your metaphor, EJ: if we have delicious apples caked in dung I think we would not eat them. Whether we like it or not, the dung alters the apples but the apples do not change the dung.
I have stated repeatedly that it would seem prudent to search for diamonds where they are abundant and not concealed in a dung heap. If someone did stumble across a diamond in the dung heap, that would not justify revering the heap.

It does not seem wise to search for wisdom in writings on restroom walls.

Nothing found in the Bible is particularly profound or unique.
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1213 wrote:Religions are organizations that are as good as the people in them. And if people in religion dont follow the teachings of Jesus, then they can be as evil as non-religious people.
<bolding mine>

I recognise that many people on this forum have strongly held beliefs, but I hope that you didnt mean the bolded part of your statement above to mean that all non-religious people are evil.

Please consider rephrasing what you wrote to avoid insulting forum readers.
Ok, what I mean is, people in religion who dont follow the teachings of Jesus, can be as evil as non-religious people who dont follow the teachings of Jesus. Religion doesnt necessary make anyone non-evil. It depends on what values person has. And I think all good values are in the love your neighbor as yourself. If non-religious person lives by that, he is in my opinion as good as religious person who does that.
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hat I mean is, people in religion who dont follow the teachings of Jesus, can be as evil as non-religious people who dont follow the teachings of Jesus.
And again, this is the opposite of what the Bible says.
Thus demonstrating, a " Lack of knowledge of the Bible"?

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Willum wrote: [Replying to post 93 by 1213]
hat I mean is, people in religion who dont follow the teachings of Jesus, can be as evil as non-religious people who dont follow the teachings of Jesus.
And again, this is the opposite of what the Bible says.
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I dont think that is true, but please explain why do you think so?
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Willum wrote: [Replying to post 93 by 1213]
hat I mean is, people in religion who dont follow the teachings of Jesus, can be as evil as non-religious people who dont follow the teachings of Jesus.
And again, this is the opposite of what the Bible says.
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I dont think that is true, but please explain why do you think so?
Whenever you start a sentence with I dont think that is true... I know what follows is that you are unfamiliar with the Bible you swear is true, and hold so dear.

My answer is because I am familiar with the Bible, and can understand what it says.

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Willum wrote:
1213 wrote:
Willum wrote: [Replying to post 93 by 1213]
hat I mean is, people in religion who dont follow the teachings of Jesus, can be as evil as non-religious people who dont follow the teachings of Jesus.
And again, this is the opposite of what the Bible says.
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I dont think that is true, but please explain why do you think so?
Whenever you start a sentence with I dont think that is true... I know what follows is that you are unfamiliar with the Bible you swear is true, and hold so dear.

My answer is because I am familiar with the Bible, and can understand what it says.
Thank you, as I assumed, you have nothing to support your claim.
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And what will you say when, or if I do support it?
How will you respond to being confronted with another of a long line of instances where your knowledge, even fundamental knowledge of the Bible is shown wanting?
Will you apologize?
Admit you were mistaken?
Acknowledge that the Bible and your beliefs are noncomparable?

Or say "I don't believe that..."
Or say "That isn't what that means..."
Or any number of evasions used by Christians when confronted with the not-very-harsh reality that the Bible is simply a compilation of other cultures' fairy-tales?

This scenario has played out many times before...
Of course you assume I have nothing to back it up, though it is ENTIRELY amazing that you are unable to do the research for yourself.

The Bible is Googlable now.

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