The Greatest Debating of History!

[Yusef]

Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.

Qur'an 16:43
And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask [Ahl-Al-Zikr]the people of the message if you do not know.
Hadith of Shi'a/Islam
These AhluzZikr in the Qur'an 16:43 are we 12 Imams
Ref: http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 084#948084

Hi to all non-fool members and guest readers including Theists and atheists both whom God ShowS you The Straight Way via your own Open-minding and Seeking and Purely researching..
ref: very simple self foolishness test

Well,
Sine several years i have decided that write this the greatest Debating here,
But while it was very sensational and amazingly, i haven't could write that at once
Because it needs so much patience..

Until i decided write step by step in independent posts
This is better for other[opposition] whom would been enough time to answer/reply/deny/verify step by step..

Well,
This Debating was did about 1200 years ago:
Ma'mun, the Caliph of Abbasied Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Caliphate

Invited means commanded The Greatest Spiritual of all Religions for come to Khurasan and debate with his cousin, means the 8th Imam, Al-Reza[pbuh]
Well,
One side was
* Imam Reza[pbuh] for defensive Shi'a[the Real Islam]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_al-Ridha

And one other were:
* fulk of commies
Of course there wasn't any commie that time, but some times someone ask about The Existence of God

* Mobed Herbod the great for defend Zoroastrianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

* Ra's Jalut [Rosh Galot-Exilarch] for defend Judaism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exilarch# ... privileges

* Imran Sabe'ei for defend Mandaeism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans

* Jatheleiq [Catholicos] for defend christianity[of paul]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicos

* Ali bin Muhammad bin Jaham and Suleyman Mervzi for defend sunni/islam[islam of abubakr and umar]

* The greatest Yogi whom 6 months was sleeping and 6 monthswas wacked up. for defend Buddhism

* Plus several eastern Religions

Well,
In that great conference The Imam Reza[pbuh] himself alone defended Judaism on Zoroastrianism and etc..
Then defended Real Christianity versus Judaism along muted Priests..
And defended Real Islam versus Christianity
Then Real Islam, means Shi'ism the Twelver versus false islam of abubakr and umar

As we Shi'as are against Abbasied Caliphs,
One of soldiers of Al-Ma'mun told Imam Reza[pbuh]: "O' son of Prophet! Ma'mun invited the greatest scholars/scientists of any religion and they are so much powerful and i afraid about you!"
Then the Imam[pbuh] answered: "Whattt!!!! You will see when I speak with any of them with the same their own Language! And through their own Holy Books! Then you understand!"

I will write here one after one those Debatings in independent posts...

[Yusef]

YouTube 15mins-Arabic+English Subtitles

[Yusef]

Here you are a 15mins part of the Movie of Imam Redha[pbuh], part of debate.[Youtube][/youtube]

O' Jews, Christians, Sa'ebies! Talk about your opinions


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Wait!
I researched about Paul, and means Sha'ul Tarsusi

Well,
Here we understood why somewhere of Shi'a Ahadith we have Nasara and somewhere Tarsa in talking about Christians

It shows in the past Christians were 2 parts,

1. Christians who believe in Jesus[pbuh] as a Prophet
2. Christians who believe he is god[May He Guide us]

[Yusef]

Here you are the part of debate between Al-Mamun and Sunni priests
That the same Ma'mun defends priority of Imam Ali[pbuh] versus Abubakr and Umar
Because of in fact Abbasied Caliphs were our cousins means were Bani-Hashim
Although Shi'a is against Abbassied..

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[Yusef]

[Replying to post 3 by Yusef]

Hi,
I checked these videos and saw the first has been removed from YouTube,
The first was made of Iran, also subtitles were correct,
But the second translation is weak
And i try mention something including:

[mrow]Voice[mcol]Written[mcol]Correct [row]Isa[col]Jeese[col]Prophet Jesus [row]Musa[col]Moose[col]Prophet Moses [row]Hawariyun[col]Hawariyoon[col]12 Disciples [row]Yuhanna[col]Uhanna[col]John [row]Habquq[col]Heiquq[col]Prophet Habbakuk [row]Shu'aya[col]....[col]Prophet Elisha [row]Ash'iya[col]....[col]Prophet Isaiah [row]Shu'ayb[col]....[col]Prophet Jethro [row]Injil[col]....[col]The Holy Gospel [row]Ra's Jalot[col]head of Jalot[col]Exilarch [row]Jatheleyq[col]....[col]Catholicos [row]Dawud[col]Dawood[col]Prophet David [row]Yahudi[col]....[col]Jew [row]Nasrani[col]....[col]Nazareth [row]Zardoshti[col]....[col]Zoroastrian [row]Imran Sa'bee[col]....[col]Imran Mandaean

I don't know why YouTube has removed the first clip..
You yourselves can get the full movie of Imam Redha via internet

Peace be upon above all

[Yusef]

Revelation/12:17
Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.
Qur'an/16:43
And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask [Ahl-Al-Zikr]the people of the message if you do not know.
Shi'a/Hadith
These AhluzZikr in the Qur'an 16:43 are we 12 Imams of Shi'a
Barnabas/220:20
And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Muhammed, the messenger of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's law.'
John/16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth
My Analyze:
Everything Encoder[God] The Holy Books
The Books Decoder[Ahl-ul-Bayit] Ahadith of Shi'a
Ahadith Detectors[Doers/Scientists] Everything
Ref: http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 234#906234

[Replying to post 3 by Yusef]

Some other:

[mrow]Voice[mcol]Written[mcol]Correct [row]Eliyasa'[col]....[col]Prophet Elisha [row]Sunnah*[col]Sunnah[col]Law

Look,
Even somewhere voices are false,
Example: Sunnah*
The debate continued till the Imam(pbuh) arrived at some verses of Prophet Isaiah(pbuh) that proves certainly prediction about an important Prophet,
And the Exilarch was been convinced, and said:
Yes, I had convinced, but it points to Prophethood of Jesus!(pbuh)
The Imam(pbuh) answered: Nope!
Because it points to a Prophet who brings a NEW Shari'ah!
Take a while Prophet Jesus(pbuh) continued the same Shari'at of Prophet Moses(pbuh)!

Also about talking of Al-Ma'mun that told my cousin.... son of Ali-ibn-Abitalib...
Look,

Abdul-Muttalib

• +Abd-ul-Allah
  • Muhammad
    • Fatimah
  +Abi-Talib
  • Ali
  +Abbass
  • Bani-al-Abbass[generation of Abbass]
  +Hamza[Anthony Quinn]

Well,
1*Ali & Fatimah

• 2*Hasan,
  3*Hussayn
  • 4*Ali [Zayn-ul-Abedin]
  • 5*Muhammad Al-Baghir
  • 6*Ja'far As-Sadiq
  • 7* Moses Al-Kadhim
  • 8*Ali Ar-Ridha
  • 9*Muhammad Aj-Jawad
  • 10*Ali An-Naghi
  • 11*Hassan Al-Askari
  • 12*Muhammad Al-Mahdi

This is how Al-Ma'mun called Imam Redha(pbuh) my cousin. Also arrangement of the 12 Imams of Shi'a Peace be upon them all
* The Twelver, from 3rd up to the 12nd are son after son
And Hasan and Hussain brothers,
And Ali, father of all and husband of lady Fatimah daughter of the Prophet whom is cousin of Ali.
This is a short useful lineage for understand the better..

Debate of the 5th Imam,grand father of Imam Redha(pbuh), Imam al-Baqir (a) with the great [strike]Christian[/strike]/Paulian scholar

Page issues
Imam al-Baqir's (a) debate with a Syrian Christian scholar is a set of questions and replies between Imam al-Baqir (a) and a Syrian Christian scholar. The Christian scholar asked different questions, all of which were answered by the Imam (a).

Imam al-Baqir's (a) Travel to al-Sham

When Hisham b. 'Abd al-Malik invited Imam al-Baqir (a) to Syria, he attended people's gatherings and answered their questions. One day the Imam (a) saw Christians going to a mountain in the area. He asked his companions whether it was their celebration day. They told him: "no. Every year on this day, they go to a Nazarite scholar who has met the companions of Jesus's disciples and ask him questions." The Imam (a) covered his head and accompanied the Nazarites to the mountain and sat among them.

The Text of the Debate

The Christian scholar caught a sight of the audience, and when he looked at Imam al-Baqir (a), he asked him: "are you one of us, the Christians, or a Muslim?"

The Imam (a) said: "a Muslim."

The Christian scholar: "a Muslim scholar or an ignorant Muslim?"

The Imam (a): "not an ignorant one."

The Christian scholar: "should I ask questions first or will you ask questions."

The Imam (a): "ask questions if you will."

Residents of the Heaven Not Discharging Excrements
The bishop: "why do you, Muslims, claim that residents of the Heaven eat and drink without discharging excrements? Is there an obvious analogue for this in this world?"

The Imam (a): "Yes, the obvious analogue is the fetus feeding in its mother's womb without discharging any excrements."

The Christian scholar: "wonderful! Did you say that you were not a scholar?!"

The Imam (a): "I did not say so. I just said that I was not ignorant."

Heavenly Blessings Not Being Depleted
The Christian scholar asked another question about Heavenly fruits and blessings as follows:

"Why do you believe that Heavenly fruits and blessings never decrease, and however much they are consumed, they remain as they were? Is there an obvious analogue for this in this world?"

The Imam (a): "Yes. The obvious analogue in the sensible world is the fire. If you light hundreds of candles from the flame of a candle, the first flame will remain as it were without being decreased."

On a Particular Time
"I ask another question. Let me know about a time which is neither part of the night, nor that of the day."

Imam al-Baqir (a): "this is the time between the dawn and the sunrise when people in trouble find peace."

When he heard the answer, the Christian scholar screamed and said: "only one question remains. I swear to God that you can never answer this one."

The Imam (a) said: "you have certainly taken a false oath."

On 'Uzair and 'Azra
The Nazarite scholar: "let me know about two people who were born on the same day and died on the same day, while one of them lived for 50 years and the other lived for 150 years."

Imam al-Baqir (a): "they are 'Uzair (Arabic: ) and 'Azra (Arabic: ). When they were 25 years old, Uzair was passing the village of Antioch while riding his donkey. He saw that the village was completely destroyed, so he asked: how can God resurrect [the people of] this village after its destruction?

Although God had selected and guided him, He became angry at Uzair and caused him to die for 100 years because of his irrelevant question. Uzair was resurrected by God along with his donkey, foods, and drinks.

Uzair went to 'Azra, but 'Azra did not recognize his brother, though he hosted him. 'Azra's children and grandchildren went to him, while he was still 25 years old. Uzair mentioned some memories of 'Azra and his children and said that they were now very old.

'Azra, who was 125 years old then, said: "I never saw a 25-year-old person who knows the story of me and my brother during our youth so well. Man, are you from the sky or the Earth?

Uzair said: O 'Azra! I am Uzair. God was angered by me and because of my irrelevant question, he caused me to die for one hundred years to both punish me and reinforce my certainty. These are the donkey, the food, and the drink with which I left the house, and God has now resurrected me with the same appearance. 'Azra accepted Uzair's remarks. Uzair lived 25 more years with them, and then they both died on the same day.

The Christian scholar asked all the questions that occurred to him and heard convincing replies. When he failed to embarrass the Imam, he became upset and said: "People! You have brought a high-ranking scholar who has more information than me to embarrass me and to let the Muslims know that their leaders are superior to us! I swear to God that I will never talk to you, and if I live one more year, you will not see me among you!" He then left.

Reactions to the Debate

The story spread around Damascus and delighted the people of Syria. However, Hisham was not delighted by the victory of the Imam (a) over aliens. He feared the increasing spiritual influence of the Imam (a). Thus, he sent a gift to the Imam (a) and sent a message to him to leave Damascus immediately.

Question for debate:
The same things were debating above!!
If you Jews[of Rabbis]and Christians[of Paul] and Muslims[of Abubakr & Umar] think know better than your own ancient/previous great leaders, well answer us!
We await!!

[Yusef]

Part 1

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Part 2

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