God's violent ways

[OnceConvinced]

The god of the bible tends do deal with sin and evil in very violent ways. Ie, wiping out cities, sending floods, ordering violent deaths, ordering the slaying of animals for sacrifices, sending curses and plagues, etc.

Can you point out any instances in the bible where God deals with sin and evil in non-violent ways?

And I mean God here. Not Jesus.
And there are times God showed mercy and didn't deal with the sin and evil, sure. But when he did, were there non-violent methods used?

[Tcg]

Two?

Surely to be honest to morality, the death of a million psychopathic condemned prisoners who are not able to be rehabilitated should be preferable to the death of only one.

I have no idea what this has to do with our discussion. Nothing in it has referred to a million psychopathic condemned prisoners who are not able to be rehabilitated. We were discussing God ordered genocide.

Those under the order of execution were sometimes also those who lived together as one country or culture or language group on earth... Worldly unity is not a cease and desist order to stop the righteous execution of unrepentant sinners.

Nothing in the text supports this. God ordered the genocides because he favored the Israelites. What else would one expect from a God created by Israelites?


Tcg

[CalvinsBulldog]

[Replying to post 253 by Tcg]

I have no idea what this has to do with our discussion. Nothing in it has referred to a million psychopathic condemned prisoners who are not able to be rehabilitated. We were discussing God ordered genocide.

Whenever someone devotes a paragraph to explaining what they have no idea about, it never sounds particularly convincing.

[sorrento]

[Replying to post 249 by ttruscott]

You said, "I know most condemned criminals argue against the judge who condemns them......."

Yes, and most people would argue against a judge that condemns the criminals wife and children as well!

[Clownboat]

Says someone attempting to justify wholesale killing of infants and children.

So says someone who thinks GOD is justified in the execution of any group of psychopathic 6,000 year old demons who just happen to have just been born (sown, not created, Matt 13:36-39] on earth as new babies.

A demon is a demon no matter how young a body he has gotten into on earth.

Demons, like unicorns and like the gods are just concepts currently as they have never been shown to exist in reality.

We have people condemning their fellow humans and justify such a horrible thing by referring to mythology. No different then when the Isrealites were claiming that a god has chosen them to be his special people.

I wonder if there is a desire to condemn our fellow humans in some as a defense mechanism to lift themselves up? If so, I wonder how common this is in humans. Perhaps this is what drew the Israelites to demonize their neighbors as well (that and wanting their land, property and virgins). It could explain the draw to religion for many...

Surely we can do better today though?

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to post 231 by JehovahsWitness]

Including Abraham? David? Joseph? Moses? Stephen? The Apostle Peter? Daniel? Did God view these men as evil?


Quote:

ISAIAH 41:8

But you, O Israel, ... the offspring of Abraham my friend.
Quote:
DANIEL 10:11
O Daniel, you very precious man, give attention to the words that I am about to speak to you
Quote:
ACTS 13::22

[God] raised up for them David as king, about whom he bore witness and said: I have found David the son of Jesse a man agreeable to my heart


Does it sound like God views these people as evil paedophiles?

Quote:
EZEKIEL 14:14

Even if these three men"Noah, Daniel, and Job"were within it, they would be able to save only themselves because of their righteousness, declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.

Oh! I am so glad that you made this comment.

God would have, did (any type of timeline is really difficult to describe when speaking of God) if He had not provided a way for the forgiveness of their sins.

If you are speaking of the those men that lived under the Old Testament law then their sin was forgiven on the bases of animal sacrifices. But these animal sacrifices had to be done over and over again because the blood of these animals did forgive sins but they pointed to a future time when their sins would be forgiven. Hebrews 10:4 informs us "For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." So it was not the blood of bulls and goats that forgave the sins of these Old Testament saints but it was the blood of Jesus.

Hebrews 9:22 informs us that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood. "Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

So yes if these the Old Testament saints did not repent of their sins and offer animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of those sins they they would have been as guilty as a pediphile and the New Testment saints that you mentioned their sins were forgiven because they they had faith that they were as guilty to God as the worst of sinners. In fact that is what Paul tells Timothy in 1 Timothy 1:15. "The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost."

So yes every man is as guilty as the worst of sinners out there. And you can thank God that you live in the time that you do and even in the country that you do. Because it was not so many millennia ago that the despicable god of molech was worshipped. And this god encouraged its followers to do the very things that pediphilors do. So in another time and in another place you might not have any trouble with what pediphilors do to children. But because of the unchangeable Word of God you have been blessed by the believers that live around you.

[JehovahsWitness]

So yes if these the Old Testament saints did not repent of their sins and offer animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of those sins they they would have been as guilty as a pediphile ....

But you didn't answer the question, I asked do those passages appear to you as if God viewed those men as paedophiles? Does it not appear that he loved them as individuals and viewed them as his friends?

I didn't ask if he forgave them of their sins and if so in what basis, I asked does it appear to you God viewed them a dispicable dirty evil humans or precious, beloved righteous friends?

JW

[ttruscott]

Those under the order of execution were sometimes also those who lived together as one country or culture or language group on earth... Worldly unity is not a cease and desist order to stop the righteous execution of unrepentant sinners.

Nothing in the text supports this. God ordered the genocides because he favored the Israelites. What else would one expect from a God created by Israelites?

Nothing in your interpretation of the text supports this but you have yet to prove your interpretation is true and I am satisfied with my interpretation as closer to the meaning and aroma of the whole Bible.

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 249 by ttruscott]

You said, "I know most condemned criminals argue against the judge who condemns them......."

Yes, and most people would argue against a judge that condemns the criminals wife and children as well!

...unless the family members are also 6000 year old psychopaths under condemnation for their crimes against GOD.

[Tcg]

Nothing in your interpretation of the text supports this but you have yet to prove your interpretation is true and I am satisfied with my interpretation as closer to the meaning and aroma of the whole Bible.

It's not an interpretation. It's a clear fact displayed throughout the Old Testament. God favored the Israelites. Of course once we get to the New Testament, God's favoritism shifts to followers of Christ. This is of course no surprise given that followers of Christ wrote the texts that contain God's new attitude.


Tcg

[OnceConvinced]

That makes no sense at all. That would make all the animals guilty of evil as well. What did they do?

In the flood story the animals are included in the death of mankind for the same violence in which men were indulging.

Orthodoxy contends that animals are merely subject to the sinful nature of this creation caused by Adam yet they are said to be a little less evil than the serpent BEFORE Adam ate!!! Verrrrry interesting...

I've watched a number of creationists documentaries in my life and these so-called experts state that certain animals were created by God with the express purpose to keep the populations of other animals down, by eating or killing them. Thus they must have been doing this while still in the Garden of Evil. Doing what God had intended.

And the fact that this tale refers to wild animals vs domesticated animals, it seems logical to deduce they certain animals were already behaving the way we see them behaving today. Adam and Eve would have had to have taken special care when dealing with wild animals.

Where in the bible does it even insinuate that the animals killed in the flood were doing anything else but what God had intended them to do? What were the cute furry hamsters doing wrong? What about the bees? Were they going around stinging people indescrimately? What about guinea pigs? Were they tearing at the throats of other animals?