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Has anyone here met or corresponded with a person who claimed to have compared gods before choosing one?But have you ever explored any other religion to compare different gods before coming to your decision?
Many 'gods' -- choose one
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Many 'gods' -- choose one
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
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Re: Many 'gods' -- choose one
Post #21[Replying to post 20 by Zzyzx]
You keep doing this "thousands of proposed gods" thing. No one here is proposing "thousands of gods" except you, and you are not an advocate for any of them. We have very few, if any adherents of "thousands of gods" on this site. No one here is seriously proposing them. It's clear that you are not trying to make converts for any of them, or attempting to make a serous case for any of them, but simply for the sake of argument, and a straw-man argument at that. You seem to be attempting to denigrate religious belief on the grounds that there are "thousands of proposed gods". Where? Not here...
And I cite the "code of ethics" as one reason I chose YHVH as opposed to your "thousands of proposed gods". Is there any other God who has a code of ethics attached to their name? I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I cite this as one of the reasons I give allegiance to YHVH as opposed to the "thousands of" other gods you (collectively) mention. Care to mention them by name, and make a case for each one? I doubt it. Do any have a better case to be made for them than YHVH?
You keep doing this "thousands of proposed gods" thing. No one here is proposing "thousands of gods" except you, and you are not an advocate for any of them. We have very few, if any adherents of "thousands of gods" on this site. No one here is seriously proposing them. It's clear that you are not trying to make converts for any of them, or attempting to make a serous case for any of them, but simply for the sake of argument, and a straw-man argument at that. You seem to be attempting to denigrate religious belief on the grounds that there are "thousands of proposed gods". Where? Not here...
And I cite the "code of ethics" as one reason I chose YHVH as opposed to your "thousands of proposed gods". Is there any other God who has a code of ethics attached to their name? I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I cite this as one of the reasons I give allegiance to YHVH as opposed to the "thousands of" other gods you (collectively) mention. Care to mention them by name, and make a case for each one? I doubt it. Do any have a better case to be made for them than YHVH?
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My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Many 'gods' -- choose one
Post #22This has already been accomplished:
- GODchecker
Your Guide to the Gods
Discover almost 4000 Gods, Goddesses and Spirits from around the world
Welcome to Godchecker
We have more Gods than you can shake a stick at.
https://www.godchecker.com/
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
Re: Many 'gods' -- choose one
Post #23Tcg wrote:This has already been accomplished:
- GODchecker
Your Guide to the Gods
Discover almost 4000 Gods, Goddesses and Spirits from around the world
Welcome to Godchecker
We have more Gods than you can shake a stick at.
https://www.godchecker.com/
Tcg
And NOT ONE of these versions of "God" - including the biblical versions of "God" - is EVER shown to have existed ANYWHERE other than in the minds of humans
To the best of my knowledge.
"God" … just whatever humans imagine it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
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Re: Many 'gods' -- choose one
Post #24Stop thinking about such things Sally! You're doing it wrong.SallyF wrote:Tcg wrote:This has already been accomplished:
- GODchecker
Your Guide to the Gods
Discover almost 4000 Gods, Goddesses and Spirits from around the world
Welcome to Godchecker
We have more Gods than you can shake a stick at.
https://www.godchecker.com/
Tcg
And NOT ONE of these versions of "God" - including the biblical versions of "God" - is EVER shown to have existed ANYWHERE other than in the minds of humans
To the best of my knowledge.
It is just the devil wispering lies in your ears that just so happen to reflect reality.
So just stop!
Weekly flock meetings are held on Wednesdays and twice on Sunday. I suggest you repent for having such evil thoughts and we'll see you at the next meeting. God forgives you. Please don't forget your check book.
In the meantime, I'll pray for you to have gods guardian angels protect your ears from the lies of Satan that he has leveled against you. See you on Sunday!
To the OP.
I cannot think of a person that I know, that if they believe in a god concept, that doesn't believe in the god concept of their parents. No doubt such people do exist. Presumably, it's just rare to belong to a religion that you were not indoctrinated into as a child. This is what we see when we examine humanity around the world.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
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Re: Many 'gods' -- choose one
Post #25[Replying to post 22 by Tcg]
This appears to be an interesting and comprehensive listing. But the site does not attempt to make a case for any of them. Maybe that is not it's purpose.
This appears to be an interesting and comprehensive listing. But the site does not attempt to make a case for any of them. Maybe that is not it's purpose.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Many 'gods' -- choose one
Post #26.
I ask how can anyone make an intelligent choice of which, if any, to worship / promote without knowing whether it is preferable to its competitor gods.
Perhaps some here are not aware of the sheer number of gods from which to choose " and/or the large number of religions associated with said gods. Many seem to have chosen (or have chosen for them) a god that is popular in their family and society " and become convinced that they have made a wise choice.
What is that choice based upon other than a popularity contest?
That seems comparable to choosing one flavor of ice cream as the best without investigating other possible choices. If all you (generic term) know about is vanilla, how do you know it is the best flavor available.
It is understandable that promoters of one of the gods would be resentful toward someone pointing out that their favorite is just one of thousands " take a number and stand in line.
Is a religion invalidated if not being promoted in these debates?
Can anyone provide verifiable evidence that their favorite god gave humans a code of ethics?
If a god is claimed by promoters to have four arms or three heads, does that make it superior?
It is not my responsibility to make a case for any of them. That is the job of their promoters.
Apologists here in debate do not seem to make much of a case to support their claims of knowledge about their favorite gods " but expend a lot of effort attempting to make excuses for their lack of verifiable evidence to support claims and stories.
I read it in a book and I think so " the book has not been shown to be anything more than a product of human imagination and the thinking has not been shown to be based on verifiable evidence.
Does anyone care to challenge my statement that many (thousands) of gods have been proposed?Elijah John wrote: You keep doing this "thousands of proposed gods" thing. No one here is proposing "thousands of gods" except you, and you are not an advocate for any of them.
I ask how can anyone make an intelligent choice of which, if any, to worship / promote without knowing whether it is preferable to its competitor gods.
Perhaps some here are not aware of the sheer number of gods from which to choose " and/or the large number of religions associated with said gods. Many seem to have chosen (or have chosen for them) a god that is popular in their family and society " and become convinced that they have made a wise choice.
What is that choice based upon other than a popularity contest?
Some posting here seem to be adherents of one or more of the thousands " and seem to think it is special (or the one true god), evidently without giving serious study to the alternatives available?Elijah John wrote: We have very few, if any adherents of "thousands of gods" on this site. No one here is seriously proposing them.
That seems comparable to choosing one flavor of ice cream as the best without investigating other possible choices. If all you (generic term) know about is vanilla, how do you know it is the best flavor available.
It is understandable that promoters of one of the gods would be resentful toward someone pointing out that their favorite is just one of thousands " take a number and stand in line.
I do not seek to win anyone to the proposed invisible, undetectable, proposed supernatural entities. Why would or should I do such a foolish thing?Elijah John wrote: You are doing so not to win any one to any of them, or to make a serous case for any of them, but simply for the sake of argument, and a straw-man argument at that.
How, exactly, is it denigrating religious belief to point out that there are thousands of proposed gods worshiped by thousands of different religions?Elijah John wrote: You seem to be attempting to denigrate religious belief on the grounds that there are "thousands of proposed gods". Where? Not here
Is a religion invalidated if not being promoted in these debates?
Does a code of ethics developed by humans and attributed to their favorite supernatural entity make that entity superior?Elijah John wrote: And I cite the "code of ethics" as one reason I chose YHVH as opposed to your "thousands of proposed gods". Is there any other God who has a code of ethics attached to their name?
Can anyone provide verifiable evidence that their favorite god gave humans a code of ethics?
If a god is claimed by promoters to have four arms or three heads, does that make it superior?
The gods have been listed by others " LONG lists with URL provided.Elijah John wrote: I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I cite this as one of the reasons I give allegiance to YHVH as opposed to the "thousands of" other gods you (collectively) mention. Care to mention them by name, and make a case for each one? I doubt it. Do any have a better case to be made for them than YHVH?
It is not my responsibility to make a case for any of them. That is the job of their promoters.
Apologists here in debate do not seem to make much of a case to support their claims of knowledge about their favorite gods " but expend a lot of effort attempting to make excuses for their lack of verifiable evidence to support claims and stories.
I read it in a book and I think so " the book has not been shown to be anything more than a product of human imagination and the thinking has not been shown to be based on verifiable evidence.
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Re: Many 'gods' -- choose one
Post #27[Replying to post 26 by Zzyzx]
Does a person have to sleep with a thousand women to fall in love with the right one? I don't think so.
Again, you keep mentioning "a thousand proposed gods" when the vast majority here are proposing only YHVH, Jesus, or Allah...So your repetition of the phrase amounts to a straw man or an irrelevancy.
SO what exactly are you suggesting for the spiritual seeker, that we go ahead and investigate every single one of "the thousands of proposed gods" or our faith has no credibility??
If that's not what you are suggesting, then what?
Does a person have to sleep with a thousand women to fall in love with the right one? I don't think so.
Again, you keep mentioning "a thousand proposed gods" when the vast majority here are proposing only YHVH, Jesus, or Allah...So your repetition of the phrase amounts to a straw man or an irrelevancy.
SO what exactly are you suggesting for the spiritual seeker, that we go ahead and investigate every single one of "the thousands of proposed gods" or our faith has no credibility??
If that's not what you are suggesting, then what?
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Many 'gods' -- choose one
Post #28.
Is a person well advised to fall in love with the first potential mate that comes along?
I think not. Same goes for gods and politicians. Doing so suggests mindlessness " absence of reasoned decision.
The US divorce rate suggests that more effective decision-making in mate selection might be advisable.
I also suggest that people dont actually choose a god to worship, but simply follow the crowd. Those who live in the West tend to choose one of the Abrahamic entities. Those in predominantly Hindu areas worship its gods, in Oceania / Asia / Africa many tend to choose local deities.
Strange that 'the one true god' just happens to be the one most popular where I live. It couldn't just happen to be confirmation bias, could it?
Does a person have to sleep with someone to fall in love? Does sex equal love?Elijah John wrote: Does a person have to sleep with a thousand women to fall in love with the right one? I don't think so.
Is a person well advised to fall in love with the first potential mate that comes along?
I think not. Same goes for gods and politicians. Doing so suggests mindlessness " absence of reasoned decision.
The US divorce rate suggests that more effective decision-making in mate selection might be advisable.
Of course, lets ignore all possibilities except the popular ones in our area of residence.Elijah John wrote: Again, you keep mentioning "a thousand proposed gods" when the vast majority here are proposing only YHVH, Jesus, or Allah...So your repetition of the phrase amounts to a straw man or an irrelevancy.
I suggest that one not claim to have made the right choice when they have considered no alternatives (or only versions of the most popular alternatives).Elijah John wrote: SO what exactly are you suggesting for the spiritual seeker, that we go ahead and investigate every single one of "the thousands of proposed gods" or our faith has no credibility??
If that's not what you are suggesting, then what?
I also suggest that people dont actually choose a god to worship, but simply follow the crowd. Those who live in the West tend to choose one of the Abrahamic entities. Those in predominantly Hindu areas worship its gods, in Oceania / Asia / Africa many tend to choose local deities.
Strange that 'the one true god' just happens to be the one most popular where I live. It couldn't just happen to be confirmation bias, could it?
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