Confused Theists?

[Zzyzx]

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Confused Theists?

All I see are billions of confused theists who passionately disagree with each other over what they think their fantasy God should stand for.

As DI says, billions of 'Christians' (and tens of thousands of splinter groups) claiming knowledge of 'God', reading different versions of the Bible (55 in English), performing different rituals, pointing in different directions, telling different stories.

Theists in these debates often make very different claims for their 'God' and variously 'interpret' their Bible stories.

Sounds like cereal makers touting their product as best while having similar (often unhealthy) ingredients.

If Christianity has truth to offer, why does it speak with a forked tongue?

(Forked tongue defined as: “To make empty or false promises; to speak duplicitously or beguilingly.� https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com)

[Tcg]

Abraham lied to Pharaoh when he said Sarah was his sister.
Genesis 12:18 (New American Standard Bible)
Then Pharaoh called Abram and said, "What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife?

Later Abraham used the same lie on Abimelech.
Genesis 20:2 (New American Standard Bible)
Abraham said of Sarah his wife, "She is my sister " So Abimelech king of Gerar sent and took Sarah.

Sarah was his sister, she was his half sister.

The fact that he told a half truth, so to speak, doesn't change the fact that he lied by not telling the truth that she was his wife. Pharaoh's complaint makes this fact exceedingly clear.


Tcg

[Bust Nak]

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[EarthScienceguy]

The solution is real simple.

Read it and do what it says. Then you will start to see who is correct.

There are two reasons for all of the different versions that you see.

Sin: people wanting satisfy the flesh.
Lack of knowledge: people do not take the time to understand the context of the passage they are reading.

[Diagoras]

There is no true religion. Truth is a person: Christ Jaheshua; and there are no lies in Him.

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Do you claim that Christianity (the religion, with the virgin birth and resurrection) is false? If so, wholly, or partially?

People forget (or do not consider) that the Adversary continues to transform himself into an angel (a messenger) of light. The beast that comes out of the sea - which gets its authority from the dragon (the Adversary) is religion.

I’m not at all sure whether any or all of this is meant metaphorically, or what its significance is. Do you have a source for this claim?

And there is no law against love. God is love. Test the inspired expressions or commands or teachings (from men, from religion, from anyone) against love.

There seems to be a (biblical) law against homosexual love. And there are plenty of references to God showing anything but love to many people in the Bible stories, either individually, tribally or globally (the flood).

I certainly cannot blame anyone from walking away from religion; I have no part in religion myself. I would stress only that my Lord did not institute a new religion ("Christendom") or continue the previous one (which had become corrupt).

I seem to recall discussion about someone (may have been you) claiming not to be religious, but at the same time having a personal relationship with God (or Jesus). Not surprisingly, defining ‘religion’ satisfactorily to all parties becomes tricky. The generally accepted one I’ve seen is: “the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Perhaps it’s just organised religion that you dislike, leaving you as a religion of one? In that case, the opening post’s claim of confusion and disunity on the part of the religious isn’t being challenged.

[Diagoras]

The solution is real simple.

Read it and do what it says.

Which version of ‘it’ are you referring to?

Bear in mind that if ‘it’ contains Deuteronomy 28:15-68 then I’ve never done any of what it says, and as far as seeing what happens, it’s been closer in effect to verse 12.

Similarly, I’m quite happy eating shellfish and wearing clothes made with multiple fabrics. I know that last one is widely acknowledged to refer to a prohibition of wearing a priest’s ephod, so I suppose technically I’ve never impersonated a priest and thus broken the law as intended. It may yet happen, if I go to a fancy dress party.