Homosexual "marriages"

[Carico]

Since most of the world has no clue why God created a man and a woman, it sadly has to be explained to them.

Aside from the obvious design of a man and a woman whose sexual attraction leads to children, the marriage covenant between a man and a woman is a copy of our union and relationship with God in our covenant with Him. All over the bible, God refers to adultery as unfaithfulness to our covenant with Him by turning away from Him and worshiping other gods or created things as well as infidelity between a man and a woman that breaks their marriage covenant. The sexual union between a man and a woman is also a copy of God's Spirit inside the true believer as Ephesians 5:31 and 1 Corinthians 6:16 explain.

God also describes Judah and Jerusalem as women in Ezekiel 16 because God's chosen are the "bride" of Christ. So a bride is clearly a woman in God's design.

That is why God values the sexual relationship between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage so highly because it directly correlates to our relationship with Him in our covenant with Him. So homosexuality isn't just a sexual preference. It is a deliberate rejection of God's design and a slap in the face to His creation. So it's a rebellious action with the intent purpose of being contemptuous of God and His creation. And that is why God considers homosexuality an abomination to Him and His beautiful design for creation.

So no one is doing homosexuals any favors by encouraging them to insult God which leads them straight on the path to hell. It's bad enough when the secular world has such little regard for homosexuals, but when people who claim to be Christians try to justify their rebellious and sinful actions, they are doing the greatest dis-service to homosexuals, as well as showing contempt for God and His design for His creation.

[Carico]

Wrong. God created mankind and He made the laws that mankind is supposed to follow. If we do not, we are subject to eternal judgment...all of us, unless we accept His free pardon.

So I'm tired of hearing human beings declaring what is and what is not a sin...as if mankind is qualified to make that decision.

I'm also tired of man claiming to speak for God when he has to change God's word to do so...especially in movies in the cinema produced by homosexuals who disobey God that claim the bible endorses homosexuality. This it further contempt for God and mankind needs to know that God will not be mocked. He's not the fool that everyone makes Him out to be. So the world absolutely needs to hear more messages like my OP to know that the world isn't fooling God and God will not take this lightly on judgment day whether they know that or not.

The irony of this, Carico, is that you are here claiming to speak for God. And you base it all on a book written by human beings.

2 Corinthians 5:20, "We are therefore Christ's ambassadors as if God were making His appeal through us."

But since you have to make up an imaginary history of the Jews to prove the bible wrong, then it's you who's living in your imagination, not me.

But you've been told the truth and reality backs it up. So you're without excuse for denying God and His creation and trying to play God yourself. sorry.

[kayky]

I just did. And all you did was prove me right that you would deny reality without providing evidence to support your claims.

Carico you cannot simply make a claim that reality proves the Bible true and expect it to be accepted without proof. This is called begging the question. It is not our job to disprove your claim. You made the claim. Now you must prove it to be true. You must state specifically what aspects of reality you referring to and then show how this correlates directly with the Bible.

So one cannot prove that the world is round to a blind man, but that doesn't at all mean that it can't be proven that the world is round.

The world was proven to be round mathematically long before we journeyed into space and witnessed its roundness for ourselves. The blind man can understand the math even if he cannot see the planet from space. So now it is your job to back up your claims just as mathematicians and astronauts have done to prove the roundness of the earth.

So if you really want proof of God's existence, then go out into the real world and observe even one human being who came from a seed so small (DNA) that it can't be seen by the naked eye, yet contains all the genetic programming for billions of neurons and cells that have to act in a certain way for the human being to even function.

All of this can be explained through evolutionary science. This is not proof of God.

So sorry, but you're without excuse for denying the existence of God and making up ridiculous stories of your imagination about God's creation. People who come up with those ridiculous stories to deny God only make them look foolish in thinking they know better than God does what the truth is.

Carico, these are the same tired arguments you made the last time you posted here. You have obviously learned nothing about debating, so I wonder why you have returned.

[Carico]

So don't listen and find out first hand on judgment day why you don't know better than God does. The next best thing to repentance is justice!

[kayky]

Why? Reality proves the bible true but you'll just deny reality anyway. You'll deny that the sun gives light by day, the moon and stars give light by night and mark the months, seasons and years, that each animal breeds its own kind, not a different species superior to itself, that the flesh and bones of animals decay back into dust when they die, proving they were composed of dust, that man and women were designed to mate and breed children.

So you are the only one here in touch with reality? What makes you so special?

So there's no point in trying to prove the bible is true since people will go to such irrational an illogical lengths to deny it. No other book is as consistent and deep as the bible is from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation which shows that no human could have written the bible. So it can only be considered, remarkable and miraculous. But one first has to understand the bible to know that. That's why Jesus said in Luk3 16:31, "If they did not believe Moses and the Prophets, then neither will they believe someone who as risen from the dead."

If there's no point, Carico, then why are you here? This site is for people who do want to demonstrate that their position is true.

That blatant denial of reality has led to the following: Romans 1:18-20 says, "For the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them since God made it plain to them. for since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood by what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

So since the arguments of ignorance of God's existence from the secular world aren't even good, then you're without excuse for denying the existence of God. You will thus be held accountable on judgment day because you're not fooling those who know and love God and you're certainly not fooling God!

I don't think we are the ones who have been fooled.

[kayky]

So don't listen and find out first hand on judgment day why you don't know better than God does. The next best thing to repentance is justice!

You seem almost giddy with joy at the thought of it...how strange...

[McCulloch]

Why? Reality proves the bible true but you'll just deny reality anyway.

You'll have to fill in a few more details for those of us who are less spiritually gifted. It looks like your argument is reality exists therefore the God described in the Bible must be the true god.

You'll deny that the sun gives light by day, the moon and stars give light by night and mark the months, seasons and years, that each animal breeds its own kind, not a different species superior to itself, that the flesh and bones of animals decay back into dust when they die, proving they were composed of dust, that man and women were designed to mate and breed children.

The sun gives light all of the time. The moon and the stars also. Seasons and years are the product of the earth's movement. Each animal breeds its own kind. Flesh and bones decay to compost not dust. Men and women evolved from sexually reproducing creatures and remain sexual reproducing creatures. How does any of this prove or disprove God?

You'll deny the history of the Jews and make up your own, including an an imaginary history of what happened in Jerusalem during the time of Christ,

We critically evaluate the apparently exaggerated claims of a resurrected god-man written by the promoters of a new religion decades after the fact, corroborated by no one except the promoters of this new religion.

you'll deny the global flood even though over 200 accounts of ancient people have passed along the same account,

We accept the testimony of geological evidence over bronze age mythology.

you'll deny that the people in the bible were real which can be verified by the history of the countries with whom they interact,

We look with some skepticism about stories of giant sons of God mating with humans, of talking snakes, of humans living hundreds of years, of an impossible ark ...

in fact, you'll simply deny reality and make up one of your own.

It looks like someone is denying reality and making stuff up, but it is not the skeptics.

So there's no point in trying to prove the bible is true since people will go to such irrational an illogical lengths to deny it.

My experience is quite the opposite. It is the supporters of the Bible who go to irrational and illogical lengths, to explain the fossil record, the apparent age of the earth and the stars, the parentage of Jesus father, the fate of Judas, the universal flood ...

No other book is as consistent and deep as the bible is from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation which shows that no human could have written the bible.

This is a claim frequently made but when investigated carefully, it is found lacking. Why is it that so many of the allegedly fulfilled prophesies by Jesus, when looked at in context, do not even apply to the messiah or were clearly not even intended to be prophesies?

[kayky]

2 Corinthians 5:20, "We are therefore Christ's ambassadors as if God were making His appeal through us."

I can't help imagining God cringing every time you post here and slander him.

But since you have to make up an imaginary history of the Jews to prove the bible wrong, then it's you who's living in your imagination, not me.

I have made up no such history. I don't even know what you are talking about.

But you've been told the truth and reality backs it up. So you're without excuse for denying God and His creation and trying to play God yourself. sorry.

All I see here is a puffed up ego with no real compassion for anyone. You are like a child stamping his foot and saying, "I'm right... because I said so!"

[Carico]

You'll have to fill in a few more details for those of us who are less spiritually gifted. It looks like your argument is reality exists therefore the God described in the Bible must be the true god.

Sorry, but one doesn't have to be spiritually gifted to see that the sun provides light by day, that the moon and stars provide light by night and are used to mark the months, seasons and years, that each animal breeds its own kind, that humans rule over the animals, that a man and a woman were designed to mate and breed together, and on and on and on.

So since your denial of reality so great that you can't see those simple things that even a child can see, then you're going to be held much more accountable on judgment day than those who can admit the above reality.

So it's a waste of time for me to point out obvious reality to those who have to deliberately close their eyes to see it.

So since your denial is so blatant, then I can see why Psalm 37:13 makes much sense; "but the Lord laughs at the wicked because he knows their day is coming." Again, the next best thing to repentance is justice!

[kayky]

Once again, if it is a waste of time for you to debate your position, why are you posting on a debate site????

[McCulloch]

You'll have to fill in a few more details for those of us who are less spiritually gifted. It looks like your argument is reality exists therefore the God described in the Bible must be the true god.

Sorry, but one doesn't have to be spiritually gifted to see that the sun provides light by day, that the moon and stars provide light by night and are used to mark the months, seasons and years, that each animal breeds its own kind, that humans rule over the animals, that a man and a woman were designed to mate and breed together, and on and on and on.

I see all of that. Where my spiritual gift seem to be lacking is how your misinterpretation of reality proves that God exists.
Carico's misinterpretations:

1. sun provides light by day
   In reality, the sun provides light all of the time. Even the light we see from the moon is reflected light from the sun.
2. the moon and stars provide light by night
   The reality is that the moon and the stars provide light all of the time, but it is so dim compared to the light from the sun, that we usually fail to notice it during the day.
3. moon and stars are used to mark the months, seasons and years
   Seasons and years are not caused by the movement of these celestial objects, but by the movement and positioning of the earth.
4. humans rule over the animals
   Humans, by their greater intelligence, have domesticated and tamed many species of other animals. Yet, there are still many species which are not ruled by humans.
5. man and woman were designed to mate and breed together
   Humans were not designed. If we were, the design would have been better.

So since your denial of reality so great that you can't see those simple things that even a child can see, then you're going to be held much more accountable on judgment day than those who can admit the above reality.

Certainly one of us is denying reality.

So it's a waste of time for me to point out obvious reality to those who have to deliberately close their eyes to see it.

You may be right. I will stop trying to point out obvious reality to you.

So since your denial is so blatant, then I can see why Psalm 37:13 makes much sense; "but the Lord laughs at the wicked because he knows their day is coming." Again, the next best thing to repentance is justice!

I have to wonder at the use of the 'Very Happy' emoticon on this statement. Do you miss being a part of the Spanish Inquisition?

You deny God's word. It is a terrible thing. You are going to spend eternity in torment. Laugh-out-loud.

Are you looking forward to an afterlife sitting in heaven and enjoying watching the suffering of those who didn't agree with you? I know that you really are a caring concerned individual, but your presentation here comes across as being a bitter sadistic and arrogant person.