Revelation 3:12 "My God"...."My new name"

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:56 pm

Revelation 3:12
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. (NASB)

Why is Revelation 3:12 sometimes cited as proof that the Lord Jesus is not God simply because He refers to the Father as "My God" when the very same verse speaks of Him (Jesus) writing His new name on the believer which indicates His Supreme Deity?

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:49 am

[Replying to post 10 by Faber]

Thus proving your allegiance to the Lord Jesus isn't supreme.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/supreme?s=t

Rather, thus proving my allegiance is to the God of Jesus, and confirming that in my allegiance to Jesus, whose supremacy comes from Him and is subject to Him.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:30 pm

Which in now way contradicts your allegiance to Jesus is not supreme.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:13 am

Faber wrote: Which in now way contradicts your allegiance to Jesus is not supreme.

Neither should it be.

Jude 1:25

To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:45 am

The Lord Jesus is not the Father but the Lord Jesus is God. Thanks for refuting Modalism but you haven't refuted Trinitarianism.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:14 am

Faber wrote:
The Lord Jesus is not the Father but the Lord Jesus is God.

The Lord Jesus is not the Father but the Lord Jesus calls the Father "my God".

Thanks for refuting Modalism but you haven't refuted Trinitarianism.
Both Modalism and Trinitarianism are refuted by scripture because they do not reflect the spiritual reality found there, but promote the ideas men later invented.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:49 am

Checkpoint wrote:
Faber wrote:
The Lord Jesus is not the Father but the Lord Jesus is God.

The Lord Jesus is not the Father but the Lord Jesus calls the Father "my God".
And Thomas calls the Lord Jesus "my God" in John 20:28.

And the Father calls Jesus "God" in Hebrew 1:8 and has the angels worshiping Him in Hebrews 1:6. - And remember this worship is to "deity in monotheistic cult" (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, proskyne, page 882).

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:35 am

Faber wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: [quote="[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 725#869725]Faber
The Lord Jesus is not the Father but the Lord Jesus is God.

The Lord Jesus is not the Father but the Lord Jesus calls the Father "my God".
And Thomas calls the Lord Jesus "my God" in John 20:28.

And the Father calls Jesus "God" in Hebrew 1:8

What does calling someone "my God" tell us about the person who does so?

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:56 am

Faber wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 3 by Faber]

Having His name on them signified they were His 'slaves' (Revelation 2:20) which demonstrates the Supreme Deity of the Lord Jesus.
Four times in that one verse he spells it out. The God who gave him that position is "my God".
It could say it 400 times. It doesn't negate the fact that having Christ' name on them demonstrates their supreme allegiance is to Him as their God.

What are you talking about?? It is CRYSTAL CLEAR that Jesus calls the Father "MY GOD," therefore he cannot be God or equal to God. Jesus HAS a God. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? God Almighty could not HAVE a God!

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:58 am

Faber wrote: Then your allegiance wouldn't be "supreme."

That's correct....because allegience as God Almighty would go to YHWH, the Father and God of Jesus.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:01 am

Faber wrote: The Lord Jesus is not the Father but the Lord Jesus is God. Thanks for refuting Modalism but you haven't refuted Trinitarianism.

Only if you aren't paying attention. To say that you have no peripheral vision is kinder than to say you have blinders on.