Peace to you,
unknown soldier wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:49 pm
tam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:38 pm
Peace to you,
Hi Tam! I see you're back to make war on my views once again.
I'm pretty sure its the other way around, lol.
I am simply pointing out the error in your views (on Christ) and offering evidence as to why they are in error.
I have agreed with some of the stuff you say about Christianity; I even shared and provided evidence (in this very thread I believe) the understanding that even non-believers can enter into the Kingdom and receive the gift of eternal life.
Do you seriously want Christians to be like Christ? If they were like him, then they would hate Jews because Jews don't believe the Gospel;
Christ does not hate Jews.
I wouldn't feel too loved if I was falsely accused of murdering people, was called a fool, and was told that my father was the Devil like Christ told the Jews.
How do your personal feelings have any bearing on how Christ felt toward His own people?
Christ did not accuse anyone of something false (and the quote that JW supplied says "
Jerusalem Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you..."; and you can read all about the people plotting and trying to kill Jeremiah the prophet, as well the persecution and beatings and imprisonments that he endured, and you can also read about the King killing Uriah, another prophet sent to them, at Jeremiah 26:20-23).
As for the rest, these words were said to the Jews who were trying to kill Him (which is not all Jews, obviously).
He was Himself a Jew;
Only on his mother's side of the family.
So?
His apostles (whom He loved) were Jews; most of His earliest disciples were Jews (and also Samaritans).
I wouldn't feel too loved by anybody who knowingly led me into life-threatening situations. That's the kind of love I don't need!
Again, what you feel has no bearing upon what Christ felt or even upon what the apostles and other disciples (then and now) also feel. I absolutely feel loved.
Christ loved His apostles (who were all Jews, one of them even described as the disciple Christ loved, and that disciple was a former Pharisee, loved even then) and His disciples (again, many of whom were Jews).
He even gave His life for them.
You could just as easily say that David Koresh gave his life for his followers. Both Christ and Koresh were religious leaders that not only died at the hands of the authorities but led many of their followers to die the same tragic way. Dying a violent death is not necessarily "for" anybody. In most instances it's just a violent death. I think it's a perversion of the very idea of love to say that dying for somebody means you love them. I must wonder how many men and women have died for their spouses and at the hands of their spouses because they loved their spouses.
Nope.
Christ made certain that when He was arrested and executed, that it was only Him. He did not fight His arrest and He prevented His apostles from fighting it as well... so that NO ONE ELSE would be hurt.
David Koresh did the exact opposite. Nor did David Koresh give his life for anyone. If David Koresh were doing what Christ did, he would have given himself up to arrest and made certain that none of his disciples were harmed (or caused harm).
He did not call for eye for eye upon those who had Him killed; He called for forgiveness for them. He also went FIRST to the Jews (then also Samaritans, since Samaritans are also Israel).
Tam, you know that's not true. According to the Christ myth, Christ is to destroy and damn all those who refuse to worship him.
Of course what I said is true. I'm just summarizing exactly what is written.
And I will repeat my earlier statement in this thread: Christianity is not Christ. Just because "Christianity" (the religion) does something or teaches something, this does not mean that it was inspired or taught by Christ. Some (many) listen to a religion more than (even instead of) Christ.
Why should anybody believe you were inspired or taught by Christ? I see no more evidence from you than from Christianity.
Whatever you might see or not from me has NO bearing on what I just said.
Just because one drinks alcohol does not mean that one is a drunkard. And even if one does get drunk, are you for some reason judging them for it?
In Matthew 11:19 Christ gripes of his being accused of being a drunkard.
I am not surprised that the point has been missed here.
They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to one another: We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not weep. 33For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, He has a demon! 34The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!
The point of course is that these people rejected the message while trying to blame the messenger, but their excuses are without merit. Their excuse to reject John the Baptist (john the baptist did not eat or drink so he must be a demon) does not hold water... because when Christ came eating and drinking, these same people used the excuse that he was eating and drinking to reject the message.
"Children in the marketplace".
You say this because Christ did not allow his mother/brothers to 'take him in hand' and stop Him from continuing to do the work that He had been sent to do? Because He did not put their request to see Him, before the needs of the people He was serving?
I don't know about that, but Christ did treat his family with contempt and in particular his mother. If there's any truth to Christ's story, it appears that Christ had a very poor relationship with his mother. I think that if he did, then that would explain his poor attitude toward women and sex.
You have supplied nothing more than your opinion here, and you have provided no support for that opinion, and so I am just going to dismiss it.
I will comment only on your claim about the attitude that Christ had toward women and toward his mother - He has male and female disciples (both of these will reign with Him as kings and priests in His Kingdom, as His Bride); the first to witness Him at His resurrection were women; He praised (and defended) a woman who had done something beautiful for him, and rebuked the male apostle who criticized her; he ensured that his mother was cared for after his death (and resurrection/ascension); he even did as she asked at the wedding despite it not yet being his time (turning water into wine). He saved the life of the woman brought to him to be stoned for sexual immorality and He did not judge her, Himself... and He honored that same woman on other occasions as well.
I mean, there is no situation where Christ can be shown to have a poor attitude toward women.
they would preach the barbaric Mosaic Law that mandated killing insubordinate children;
You don't remember these words from Christ then:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Or,
"Go and learn what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice."
Sure, Tam, much of what we are told about Christ's indoctrination of his followers is inconsistent. It appears that his story is a story of a man who thought it was more important to make a rhetorical impact on people than to get his dogma straight.
No, there is nothing inconsistent here, unknown soldier. It just does not seem to be what you want to see.
That being said, the fact that Christ preached the above words (and did not preach that anyone should kill anyone), disputes (and even refutes) your claim.
I mean, we have an example of someone whom the law of Moses said to stone, and what did Christ do? He saved her life, showed mercy, forgave her and did not condemn her. His example is the example that we (who belong to Christ) are to follow.
Or perhaps too imaginary to mention.
I'm not making anything up. Everything I post in this forum about Christian doctrine is based on my reading and studying the Bible and reading and listening to the works of Christians.
Then it is not based upon the Truth.
Christ harmed no one. He also healed the servant whom Peter harmed, and rebuked Peter for his action; Christ also rebuked His disciples when they asked Him if He wanted them to call down fire from heaven upon some people who would not welcome Him. He commanded His disciples to turn the other cheek, to pray for those who mistreat us, to bless those who curse us, to forgive those who wrong us, to be merciful, and to love even our enemies.
And as anybody who has read the New Testament knows, Christ casts most of humanity into a lake of fire.
This statement is false, but it is also besides the point (and perhaps an entirely new topic).
The words that I wrote - which you did not address - are accurate. The words that I wrote (which I bolded) show that we would do
those things if we are emulating and obeying Christ:
Love our enemies; bless those who curse us; forgive those who wrong us; pray for those who mistreat us; turn the other cheek; be merciful.
"If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples.
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
