When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?
If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.
Matthew 5:5
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Paradise on Earth
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #1751Would WeAreVenom kindly reply to my last post above (1750? I am always interested in someone's response to what I have posted. Thank you.
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Post #1752I'm surprised you don't consider the flood to be a fact. Hmmmm.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:49 pmNo the flood was we believe a historical event. Peter compares the the coming destruction to that event.We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:00 pm
Unless you are gonna tell me that the Global Flood was symbolic, too?

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Post #1753If I could put my 2 cents in.....Miles wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:41 amI'm surprised you don't consider the flood to be a fact. Hmmmm.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:49 pmNo the flood was we believe a historical event. Peter compares the the coming destruction to that event.We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:00 pm
Unless you are gonna tell me that the Global Flood was symbolic, too?
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JehovahsWitness does consider the Flood to be a fact, as I do. What is being said is that Peter took the Flood to be a comparison with what will happen in the future to rid the planet of evil.
Peter says that it will happen just like in Noah's day, when the world of that time was destroyed by water, and for what reason? To destroy ungodly men. That is what happened when the Flood came, and that is what will happen when Jesus comes back. The evil PEOPLE will be destroyed, not the planet. Was the planet destroyed in Noah's day? Obviously not. (You will notice that he said "the world" was destroyed. That does not mean the planet. It was the world of ungodly people, as is commented on by John at I John 2:15-17.)
So if things are to happen the way Peter and Jesus taught, the planet will not be destroyed, because both compared the end of the system to Noah's day, and the planet itself was not destroyed.
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Post #1754Which Peter and where?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:26 pmIf I could put my 2 cents in.....
JehovahsWitness does consider the Flood to be a fact, as I do. What is being said is that Peter took the Flood to be a comparison with what will happen in the future to rid the planet of evil.
Peter says that it will happen just like in Noah's day, when the world of that time was destroyed by water, and for what reason?
Besides, this isn't necessarily a JW position I'm addressing, but one of JehovahsWitness's. His "we" isn't all that clear.
Ever notice that god's Flood plan failed, and like big time? We still have "ungodly men" likeonewithhim wrote: . . . just like in Noah's day, when the world of that time was destroyed by water, and for what reason? To destroy ungodly men. That is what happened when the Flood came, and that is what will happen when Jesus comes back.


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Post #1755What she said.
I was not using "the royal we", we as in me and all my Jehovah's Witness brethren. We (Jehovah's Witnesses) hold that the flood was a literal historical factual event.
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Post #1756Yes, and the Flood did not fail. It accomplished what Jehovah set out to do. It got rid of all the ungodly people (who didn't believe Noah when he told them what was coming). Jehovah's intention never was to destroy the physical planet.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:04 pmWhat she said.
I was not using "the royal we", we as in me and all my Jehovah's Witness brethren. We (Jehovah's Witnesses) hold that the flood was a literal historical factual event.
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Post #1757Ah, you just got done saying ". . . the world of that time was destroyed by water, and for what reason? To destroy ungodly men," and what do we have today? Millions of ungodly men. THAT I would count as failure. Or was it the case that god only wanted to get rid of the ungodly men then living, knowing full well that the descendants of Noah and family would simply spawn new ungodly men? And, excepting the 8.7 million species---give or take 1.3 million---he had assemble aboard the ark, he went to a lot trouble of destroying all other life on earth just to kill the ungodly men then living. I would think a simple zap from his right index finger could have done the job, and far more efficiently.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:41 pmYes, and the Flood did not fail. It accomplished what Jehovah set out to do.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:04 pmWhat she said.
I was not using "the royal we", we as in me and all my Jehovah's Witness brethren. We (Jehovah's Witnesses) hold that the flood was a literal historical factual event.
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Those who "didn't believe Noah when he told them what was coming" plus all the millions of others across the Earth.onewithhim wrote: It got rid of all the ungodly people (who didn't believe Noah when he told them what was coming)*.
* Where is this written in the Bible? Which reminds me of my other request in post 1754. "Which Peter and where?"
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Post #1758"Which Peter and where"? Aren't we discussing what Saint Peter said in his second letter (2 Peter 2:5 & 7)?Miles wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:00 pmAh, you just got done saying ". . . the world of that time was destroyed by water, and for what reason? To destroy ungodly men," and what do we have today? Millions of ungodly men. THAT I would count as failure. Or was it the case that god only wanted to get rid of the ungodly men then living, knowing full well that the descendants of Noah and family would simply spawn new ungodly men? And, excepting the 8.7 million species---give or take 1.3 million---he had assemble aboard the ark, he went to a lot trouble of destroying all other life on earth just to kill the ungodly men then living. I would think a simple zap from his right index finger could have done the job, and far more efficiently.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:41 pmYes, and the Flood did not fail. It accomplished what Jehovah set out to do.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:04 pmWhat she said.
I was not using "the royal we", we as in me and all my Jehovah's Witness brethren. We (Jehovah's Witnesses) hold that the flood was a literal historical factual event.
NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses
Those who "didn't believe Noah when he told them what was coming" plus all the millions of others across the Earth.onewithhim wrote: It got rid of all the ungodly people (who didn't believe Noah when he told them what was coming)*.
* Where is this written in the Bible? Which reminds me of my other request in post 1754. "Which Peter and where?"
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I said the world of that time was destroyed, as the scripture says, and it was not the planet that was destroyed. It was the world of ungodly people. Can you understand the difference between the world that is going to be done away with and the planet? The world that will be destroyed is the ungodly world of mankind alienated from God; the world that is spoken of at I JOHN 2:15-17. The planet remained in the days of Noah, and it will remain after Armageddon.
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Post #1760INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
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