Do you have the hope of going to heaven

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:02 pm

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I do not have a hope of going to heaven (when I speak of "heaven" I mean the spiritual abode/realm where God lives).

- Do you personally entertain the hope of going to heaven to spend eternity with God when you die? (if this question is too personal I respect if you do not want to share this information)

- If so, do you believe such a literal spiritual realm exists?

- Do you believe that Jesus is presently in heaven where God exists?

* My question is for people that do believe that a God exists, since I presume that those that do not believe in God do believe he exists anywhere and therefore there is no "heaven" where God is.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:09 pm

[Replying to post 19 by ttruscott]

I'm sorry I couldn't glean from your answer, do you believe there is a location where the angels, and Jesus reside? If so do you believe you will ever reside there?

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:35 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 19 by ttruscott]

I'm sorry I couldn't glean from your answer, do you believe there is a location where the angels, and Jesus reside? If so do you believe you will ever reside there?

Yes and sometimes.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:25 pm

ttruscott wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 19 by ttruscott]

I'm sorry I couldn't glean from your answer, do you believe there is a location where the angels, and Jesus reside? If so do you believe you will ever reside there?
Yes and sometimes.

I never think I'm going to heaven but i do hope to be in paradise; hopefully never dying since it will soon be a reality. I think its important to keep that hope alive as we are living in dark times.

Thanks for your answer,

JW

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:52 pm

[Replying to post 23 by JehovahsWitness]

JehovahsWitness wrote:
I never think I'm going to heaven but i do hope to be in paradise;

Both places seem completely imaginary to me.. but even so.
Hoping and wishing don't make things come true.

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Hope for a life after death and despair during this one. yuk.
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JehovahsWitness wrote:
hopefully never dying since it will soon be a reality.

Yeah.. "soon"..
Good luck with that.

It's only BEEN 2000 years.

JehovahsWitness wrote:
I think its important to keep that hope alive as we are living in dark times.

Pessimists might think we live in dark times.
Realists might understand that things never were so good.

As a skeptic, an agnostic and an atheist, I have no use of that hope of yours. And I sure don't need such a negative view of the one life I am SURE I have.

I went for a walk today.... what a sight.
A pure delight.

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Question:

Do JW love this life?

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Monta · Post by **Monta** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:52 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
rikuoamero wrote: [Replying to post 1 by JehovahsWitness]

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I do not have a hope of going to heaven
1 & 2. I have no desire to go to heaven and (all things being equal ie unless something in my life radically changes) I think it is virtually if not totally impossible I will go there.
JW
That would imply that you know everything there is to know.
To take the stand that we know everything shuts the door to further learning.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:08 am

Monta wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
rikuoamero wrote: [Replying to post 1 by JehovahsWitness]

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I do not have a hope of going to heaven
1 & 2. I have no desire to go to heaven and (all things being equal ie unless something in my life radically changes) I think it is virtually if not totally impossible I will go there.
JW
That would imply that you know everything there is to know.
To take the stand that we know everything shuts the door to further learning.

Not at all, when I say "I think" I am expressing my opinion based on what I personally feel or believe. I was speaking about myself not anyone else. I know what I feel, if I say "I believe I am an man and that it is virtually if not totally impossible I will one day give birth", it's not an absolute statement but I believe a reasonable one.

Who knows if things will change, it would be presumptious of me to say I do. I am in no way even suggesting that I am omniscient.

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:21 am

[Replying to post 26 by JehovahsWitness]

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Believing is "Feeling"[/center]

I think it is virtually if not totally impossible I will go there.

Monta wrote:That would imply that you know everything there is to know.
To take the stand that we know everything shuts the door to further learning.

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Not at all, when I say "I think" I am expressing my opinion based on what I personally feel or believe.

It's better to use the precise words we mean to use.
Do you FEEL it or BELIEVE it?

Are beliefs only just FEELINGS?

JehovahsWitness wrote:
I was speaking about myself not anyone else.

Thanks for the clarification.

Your views about heaven are your own.
Nobody else has to believe they are true.

JehovahsWitness wrote:
I know what I feel, if I say "I believe I am an man and that it is virtually if not totally impossible I will one day give birth", it's not an absolute statement but I believe a reasonable one.

So, as long as something is reasonable to you, you seem to believe it.
This doesn't include "FACTS" at all... just reason alone without the need for any facts.

Welcome to the fact free world that people like Donald Trump represents.
Whatever seems reasonable to Trump seems true to him, too.

This is how a delusion works.
I suggest that we pay a little more attention to FACTS, my friend.

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Who knows if things will change, it would be presumptious of me to say I do. I am in no way even suggesting that I am omniscient.

Question:

You seem to imply that your reasoning is better than anyone else's in this regard.
Are you the wisest man?

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onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:13 pm

rikuoamero wrote: [Replying to post 1 by JehovahsWitness]

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I do not have a hope of going to heaven
Out of sheer curiosity, can you please outline what you mean by the above phrase?
Do you mean
1) It is not likely, to the point of virtual impossibility, that you will go to heaven
2) You do not have a desire, a wish, to go to heaven?

I do not have the hope of going to heaven either. Like JehovahsWitness, I do not have any desire to do so. I have not been "born witness" (Romans 8:16) by God's Spirit that I have been called to be a co-ruler with Christ during his Thousand-Year Reign.

The Bible promises a future for mankind that will be fulfilled in a wonderful paradise on the earth, just the way it was supposed to be before Adam rebelled.

Psalm 37:9-11,29
Isaiah 11:6-9
Isaiah 45:18

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:36 pm

OnceConvinced wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I do not have a hope of going to heaven (when I speak of "heaven" I mean the spiritual abode/realm where God lives).

- Do you personally entertain the hope of going to heaven to spend eternity with God when you die? (if this question is too personal I respect if you do not want to share this information)
I once did as a Christian. In fact as a Christian I was convinced I was going to Heaven. There was no doubt in my mind.

It's sad for me now when I think about it. The belief in Heaven is no longer there. There is now no eternal life for me. This life on earth is all I have and I am most likely well over the half way mark. So much of my life was spent serving a God I now believe to be imaginary. It was heartbreaking for me when I lost my faith. Very difficult. It took a long time to get over. Even now, it saddens me to think that all my dreams of an afterlife have been shattered.

This is one reason why I can't believe there are Christians out there who believe that I wanted to rebel. That I chose to be an ex-Christian. It makes no sense at all. If it were a matter of desire I'd still be a Christian still believing I was looked after by God and was going to live forever. I can't see why anyone would not want to believe that.

In my estimation, you chose to reject the so-called "Christian" religion of your former years. I did this also. Your "rebellion" didn't make you hopeless. You just didn't know the true God yet. It was after my "rebellion" that I finally found the truth.

You are still loved by God, and I believe that He looks after those with a good heart, even if they haven't gotten around yet to being His friend. He doesn't force anybody, and if people want Him to leave them alone, He will.

You have not ruined your hopes of living forever. Jehovah's people are preaching for Christ, and they tell the world about the coming Paradise under God's government. (Matthew 24:14) Ask Him to show you the truth.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:40 pm

Willum wrote: [Replying to post 18 by William]

I am surprised to find us in such agreement. My take is:

I'd rather burn with Gandhi, then party in heaven with a redeemed Hitler.

V/R

Why do you think that Gandhi will burn, and why do you think that Hitler will be in heaven?

And what about the paradise that this physical earth was originally meant to be? (Isaiah 45:18; Psalm 37:9-11,29)

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