Is homosexuality worse than heterosexual infidelity?

[Moses Yoder]

I don't normally copy and paste an article but this is great stuff. At the end I have a question.

The morning after Chick-fil-A day
AUGUST 2, 2012 BY MIKE PATZ 1 COMMENT

Its the morning after the Chick-fil-A drama and Im still chewing.

I remember the day I was sitting next to an incredibly nice gay guy, enjoying a really good conversation when he dropped the ultimate conversation-killer.

What do you do for a living?

I hate that question. I hate that question because people cant help but size you up when they hear the answer. I hate that question because were already prone to think of ourselves as human doings instead of human beings. I hate that question because of what it does to people when they find out what I do.

Ive often tried to find ways around the question. Ive told people I work with non-profit organizations (this is true). Ive told people that I write (this is true). Ive even told people that I am a spiritual guru that assists people in opening their third eye (I really like this one). For whatever reason, on that day, I just cut to the chase. I work as a pastor of a church.

Everything changed. His next words went something like this:

Listen, Im gay and Im content with who I am. Im sure you are going to say that I was not born this way, and I wont argue the point. For a significant part of my childhood I was violated by a neighbor and then an uncle. Did that play a role in my sexual orientation? Possibly. I also know many people that had a trouble-free childhood and they turned out very happily gay. Regardless of how it occurred, this is who I am now and I make no apologies for the man I have become. If God has a problem with a man who tries to be true to himself, then I have a problem with a God that allows these kinds of things to happen to kids like me in the first place.

I kept thinking how much easier it would have been if I said I was a writer.


Fortunately, Jesus has a way of showing up in the middle of conversations just like these, and on that day He did not disappoint. My friend shared his heart, and I shared mine. Ive never seen people change via argument, which is why I prefer to help people taste and see that the Lord is good.

This is where Christians tend to blow it.

They taste really bad. They serve up some really Biblical truth in some really nauseating ways. They major on minors and minor on majors. They tend to be extremely unaware of their pride, and pride is like bad breath " everybody knows you have it, except for you. Its always easy to scream the loudest about sins you do not personally struggle with.

So why are we yelling?

Im still not sure why Christians are so militant in their opposition of homosexual immorality while they seem to go so mild with their opposition of heterosexual immorality. I hear the concern about homosexuality and the catch phrase is often family values: Imagine how much it will mess up a child who is being raised by two women, the reasoning goes. A kid needs both a father and a mother, we say. Yet the gays I speak with often wonder how the church can talk about family values when 50-60% of Christian couples divorce. Talk about family values. So a community of people that do not stay married is trying to talk to us about marital morality. How ironic.

In light of the fact that Christians have just as much pre-marital sex and watch just as much porn and divorce just as frequently why arent we more embarrassed to speak out on the issue of homosexual sin? Good question.

One guy said, Its funny how you can claim the grace of God to cover heterosexual sin while saying that homosexual sin is beyond the reach of Gods grace.

That brings me to all the Chick"fil-A drama.

I get why Chick-fil-A day looked so annoying to so many people yesterday. I understand why people have planned a kiss-in this Friday. And I can see why people shake their heads when they read yet another homophobic Facebook post.

Church people ask, why wont our culture repent? My answer: because repentance is a learned behavior. Someone has to model it. I tell parents that its silly to expect a child to repent when they have never seen a parent repent. And its futile to wait for a culture to repent when a culture has never seen the Church repent.

Is the real problem with our culture the unrepentant gay community? No. Its an unrepentant Church.

I am so sorry today for all the hatred that Christians have dished out toward gays. I am so sorry for all of the homophobic sarcasm that has come from the pulpits of Christian ministers. I am so sorry for the way we pick and choose which sins to condemn. I am so sorry that we have claimed to follow Jesus while we neglected widows and orphans, and then engaged in gossip and gluttony. I am so sorry that we have provided such a bad example for the rest of society to follow. Im embarrassed, Im ashamed, and I repent. Im serious. I repent.

Yet Im also concerned that when our culture most needs to hear truth, Christians dont know how to tell it.

Weve come to a dangerous moment in culture, and Christians are ill-equipped to handle it. We have reached the point where disagreement is now seen as hatred. I read an article today where a woman was appealing to Christians to recognize their hateful crimes against the homosexual community. I nodded in agreement, but decided to keep reading to see how she itemized these crimes. Paragraph after paragraph described the hurt and rejection resulting from these offenses, but it took a while to get to the actual crime: Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin. I was stunned. Disagreement was equated with hate.

Christians have a substantial challenge on their hands because every generation and every culture is going to disagree with Gods truth at some point. How interesting that our USAmerican culture considers Christianity to be closed-minded on the issue of sexual morality, while the majority of world religions are in agreement in opposition to the USA position on sexuality. Is USA culture not closed-minded for claiming that all these other religions are wrong? Is it not hypocrisy to say that we will be tolerant with everybody " except the people we consider intolerant. Closed-mindedness is not just a religious thing, its a human thing.

If ever Christians needed some good breath, it is now.

Because we have to kiss this world with the truth of God.

The problem is, no matter how good your kiss, your breath can ruin the whole experience. And no matter how much truth we bring, if it does not drip with grace and humility, it always falls flat.

Im not asking Christians to stop telling the truth, Im asking them to brush their teeth.

What does that look like? The apostle Paul said to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy towards all people. (Titus 3:2)

Can you imagine what would happen if an entire chunk of Christians decided to embrace the Titus 3:2 approach? Will people be staging protests and kiss-ins to protest Chick-fil-A? Maybe. But the way of Jesus is to speak evil of no one. Has Chick-fil-A been bullied? Yes. But the kingdom of Jesus response is to avoid quarreling. Is there more drama to come as our culture becomes increasingly polarized? Of course. But if God is our Father, then we have to start showing the family resemblance, being gentle and showing perfect courtesy. This should have an effect on the way we post our thoughts on Facebook. Or talk to angry people at work. Or wait in line at Chick-fil-A.

You see, we cant shrink back on truth-telling or we dishonor the very Gospel. But when we bring the truth of Jesus we have to do it in the Spirit of Jesus.

Or stop being surprised when our culture doesnt want a kiss.

Is homosexuality worse than heterosexual infidelity? If not, why do Christians hate gay people so much? If the two are equally bad, why do so many Christians who would never be gay cheat on their wife?

[KCKID]

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know Gods righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1

You conveniently missed the below bolded part, 99percent.

23And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. 24Why God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Whatever else Paul is talking about the text clearly follows on from his referencing the pagan idolatry that mingled with the Christianity of the early church. You know this and yet you still refernce this text to condemn homosexuality per se. Paul is describing the images of birds and animals that were being worshipped, often in ways that were considered to be vile to those of Paul's rather puritanical culture. The underlying message of Paul is that God and GOD ALONE is to be worshipped. The acts of the pagan worshippers of their false gods (which is a definite no-no!) are what Paul is admonishing. He and his buddies were actually witnessing these acts because they were being performed IN PUBLIC! The text has NOTHING to do with homosexuality as we today refer to it or consentual same sex intimacy. Again ...it's talking for the main part about idolatry.

Furthermore, your equating homosexuality with wickedness, evil, greed, envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice, gossip, slander, God-haters, insolence, arrogant and boastful, etc. etc. is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!

[Wootah]

It is fascinating that the only comparison for gay behavior is the most odious and unfaithful of behaviors.

Its not the only comparison, but it is the one that is being discussed. They are being discussed together because both are taboo to some degree.

It's obvious to me that adultery is worse because in homosexuality nobody gets hurt, and adultery does often hurt a third party, as many know from personal experience. That is also the reason why objection to the former is irrational.

I think a better question is which is better.... the answer being: both at the same time!

Huzaaa! I wish i could have a gay affair...

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[99percentatheism]

mitty

So that would make his point singularly nondescript, since love is in fact the message of your god.

No it is the progressives that make that scripturally defined term singularly nondescript. The love of Adonai is not the eros of Greece or even the romance of modern western culture. It is tied to the obligations of HaTorah.

The eros of Greece, plus the utter debauchery of Roman sexuality.

The answer to the OP was a no-brainer.

Rememebr that Nero "married" two men. You can see why Paul's letter to the Christians in Romans didn't go over so well.

It's fascinaiting that it still enrages the same kinds of people now.

But even Paul's letter in Romans didn't mention anything about female homosexuality and thus consistent with the rest of the bible about female homosexuality being a non-issue and irrelevant.

Huh? Romans 1 details chick on chick sex. Do you really need the porn pictures too? They were given over to a reprobate mind. There is a reason why the LGBT "community" and its legion of supporters become enraged when this scripture is preached. It is directly as accurate today against homosexuals and homosexuality as it was when it was written under the tyrannical rule of Nero. Who, by the way, married two guys.

Sappho and sapphic love have no place anywhere in the Tanakh and New Testament to find acceptance. Feminsim the way it is peddled by the worldly and especially the lesbian product as well, is as alien to Christian life as it would be to sacrifice a bull on an alter of Bacchus. An how compatible that comparison is to todays world of sexual licentiousness.

The depraved assertion that Naomi and Ruth were lesbian lovers involved in a gay marriage defies all decency about a Mother in Law and her Daughter in law. But of course comes as no surprise these days. Anything goes is now basically idolatry worshipped from Boston to Frisco and many parts in between to across the pond. The only blasphemy today is not accepting it.

How prophetic.

Although they know Gods righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

- Paul to Christian Romans living under the reign of Nero

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.

- Peter to Christians living under the reign of Nero

Sodom and Gomorrah has become Europe and America.

Nah!!! Where does Romans 1 mention anything about female homosexuality since Romans 1:26 certainly doesn't? Where does Romans 1 say "women with women working that which is unseemly" or that the men's women burned in lust for each other? Answer: it doesn't.

And where does Leviticus say to womankind "Thou shalt not lie with womankind, as with mankind: it is an abomination"? Answer: it doesn't. But it does tell them not to commit adultery and not to give sexual favours to their affectionate doggy or horsey.

And where does the S&G story mention anything about homosexuality? Answer: it doesn't, but only about the inhospitality of the men and women towards a couple of strangers and wanting to know what they were up to. And it describes Lot's immoral incestual behavior with his daughters.

When were there laws against female homosexuality? Answer: there weren't, unless you regard buggery between women as unlawful.

Where did Jesus mention anything about homosexuality? Answer: he didn't, apart from Matt 19:12. But he did condemn divorcees who remarry and suggested that they should cut off their genitals and throw them away (Matt 5:29-30) to avoid continually committing adultery. And he did have an irresponsible attitude towards alcohol use (John 2:1-10 Matt 11:19).

Alas you are just trying to convince yourself that female homosexuality is naughty.

The writers of the New Testament convinced me.

It's somewhat entertaining to watch the incredible machinations by which people like you go through to insert queer history into the Bible. It is afterall completely impossible. Like someone claiming they can juggle jello.

Now, when you see what Jude says about the sexually immoral, he compares their behavior to that of the lasciviosuness of the S & G citizenry.

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to Gods holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Completely in harmony with Paul and the depravity of homosexuals in his letter to Roman Christians. People that also would have been called out from same gender sexual behavior. "Such were some of you."

It is absurdity on display to try to insert lgbt history into the New Testament.

Back to Jude . . .:

And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling"these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Jude is referencing the Nephilim.

And . . .:

In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, The Lord rebuke you!

Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct"as irrational animals do"will destroy them.

But it seems that there IS a place where the sexually immoral dwell within the Church. And it is remarkable in its description* of these kinds of people:

These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm"shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted"twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.

These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in Gods love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear"*hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

If you can find a copy of the Book of Enoch read it.

[mitty]

[Replying to post 242 by 99percentatheism]

So what. None of that changes the fact that bible doesn't mention anything about female homosexuality or that the S & G story didn't mention anything about homosexuals either.

[99percentatheism]

[Replying to post 242 by 99percentatheism]

So what. None of that changes the fact that bible doesn't mention anything about female homosexuality or that the S & G story didn't mention anything about homosexuals either.

To insert LGBT morality into the Biblie and Christian morality is both unsettling and creepy.

You are, after all is said and done, justifying actions by what isn't said.
That is predatory in nature and shows why the concerns of Bible affirming Christians for LGBT's forcing homosexual ethics into Christian Chuches may indeed be because the wolves are no longer hiding beneath sheeps clothing and circling the herd for attack.

You can never ever prove homosexuality, male or female, is ever positive in Biblical reality. The appeal to silence is a disturbing method to even try, let alone demand as you do.

But then again, Paul defined the minds of those that do, rather accurately it appears, from all current observable data.

[KCKID]

[Replying to post 242 by 99percentatheism]

So what. None of that changes the fact that bible doesn't mention anything about female homosexuality or that the S & G story didn't mention anything about homosexuals either.

People can be told time and time again that homosexuality was not 'the sin' of S&G. People can be clearly shown from scripture that homosexuality was not 'the sin' of S&G. Ezekiel 16:49 actually TELLS US what the sin of S&G was and mentions NOTHING about homosexuality. But ...guess what? People (Christians, no less) STILL equate S&G with 'the sin' of homosexuality.

This myth has become so firmly ingrained in their minds that the facts surrounding the story are completely disregarded. Folks such as 99percentatheism deceptively encourage and exacerbate the myth that S&G were destroyed because of rampant homosexuality to bolster their own anti-gay agenda. 99percent is well aware that S&G and its destruction (which probably never occurred anyway) had nothing to do with homosexuality. How, then, can such people be entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel message of Jesus? This is why I've become such a sceptic of Christianity in recent years. Few people are capable of preaching the message of Jesus. Many more liars (either through ignorance or design) exist in the Church than do homosexuals and this should be much more a concern than who is being intimate with whom.

[KCKID]

[Replying to post 242 by 99percentatheism]

So what. None of that changes the fact that bible doesn't mention anything about female homosexuality or that the S & G story didn't mention anything about homosexuals either.

To insert LGBT morality into the Biblie and Christian morality is both unsettling and creepy.

I don't know of anyone here (other than you) who is 'inserting LGBT morality' into the Bible. I quickly add that God's 'morality' is rather wanting as it is. Few are as fanatical as you are about your precious Bible which, to you, appears to be God Himself. All people appear to be doing is accepting - and encouraging others to accept - people of diverse sexual persuasions. You see homosexuality as a biblical sin while others clearly do not. To you this is such a big issue that you see homosexuality, i.e. those who are simply sexually oriented toward others of the same gender, as 'the sin of sins' which serious threatens the Christian Church. To me, I find such a mindset to be, at worst, bordering on paranoia and, at best ...well, silly.

You are, after all is said and done, justifying actions by what isn't said.

Again, no one but you is interested in justifying or not justifying the private and intimate 'actions' of others. Just relax and smell the roses, man.

That is predatory in nature and shows why the concerns of Bible affirming Christians for LGBT's forcing homosexual ethics into Christian Chuches may indeed be because the wolves are no longer hiding beneath sheeps clothing and circling the herd for attack.

Pure paranoia. What else can be said?

You can never ever prove homosexuality, male or female, is ever positive in Biblical reality. The appeal to silence is a disturbing method to even try, let alone demand as you do.

I have a uni degree in Social Science and I would recommend that you shut up your Bible ASAP because it appears to be affecting you detrimentally. When anyone is SO affected by the words from a book (particularly misinterpreted words) it can cause them to behave irrationally. Just lie down, relax and listen to the soothing sounds of an authentic nature CD that is designed to soothe the soul. It appears that your soul could do with some soothing. Note: Make sure that your Bible is way out of reach.

But then again, Paul defined the minds of those that do, rather accurately it appears, from all current observable data.

News Flash: Paul is not God . . .

[KCKID]

Addendum: I mentioned Ezekiel 16:49 above. Here it is starting at verse 48:

48As I live, said the Lord GOD, Sodom your sister has not done, she nor her daughters, as you have done, you and your daughters. 49Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Abominations? Lest we again be inundated with falsehhoods pertaining to homosexuality, below are the abominations as stated by Ezekiel:

Abominations in the Temple

8 In the sixth year, in the sixth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I sat in my house, with the elders of Judah sitting before me, the hand of the Lord God fell upon me there. 2 Then I looked, and behold, a form that had the appearance of a man.[a] Below what appeared to be his waist was fire, and above his waist was something like the appearance of brightness, like gleaming metal. 3 He put out the form of a hand and took me by a lock of my head, and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the gateway of the inner court that faces north, where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provokes to jealousy. 4 And behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, like the vision that I saw in the valley.

5 Then he said to me, Son of man, lift up your eyes now toward the north. So I lifted up my eyes toward the north, and behold, north of the altar gate, in the entrance, was this image of jealousy. 6 And he said to me, Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations that the house of Israel are committing here, to drive me far from my sanctuary? But you will see still greater abominations.

7 And he brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, there was a hole in the wall. 8 Then he said to me, Son of man, dig in the wall. So I dug in the wall, and behold, there was an entrance. 9 And he said to me, Go in, and see the vile abominations that they are committing here. 10 So I went in and saw. And there, engraved on the wall all around, was every form of creeping things and loathsome beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel. 11 And before them stood seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, with Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan standing among them. Each had his censer in his hand, and the smoke of the cloud of incense went up. 12 Then he said to me, Son of man, have you seen what the elders of the house of Israel are doing in the dark, each in his room of pictures? For they say, The Lord does not see us, the Lord has forsaken the land. 13 He said also to me, You will see still greater abominations that they commit.

14 Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15 Then he said to me, Have you seen this, O son of man? You will see still greater abominations than these.

16 And he brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord. And behold, at the entrance of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men, with their backs to the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east, worshiping the sun toward the east. 17 Then he said to me, Have you seen this, O son of man? Is it too light a thing for the house of Judah to commit the abominations that they commit here, that they should fill the land with violence and provoke me still further to anger? Behold, they put the branch to their[c] nose. 18 Therefore I will act in wrath. My eye will not spare, nor will I have pity. And though they cry in my ears with a loud voice, I will not hear them.

Equate the above with the writings of Paul, Timothy, Jude, et al, and you'll begin to get the picture of what THEY were referencing with regard to heathen temple worship.

[99percentatheism]

KCKID

[Replying to post 242 by 99percentatheism]

So what. None of that changes the fact that bible doesn't mention anything about female homosexuality or that the S & G story didn't mention anything about homosexuals either.

People can be told time and time again that homosexuality was not 'the sin' of S&G. People can be clearly shown from scripture that homosexuality was not 'the sin' of S&G. Ezekiel 16:49 actually TELLS US what the sin of S&G was and mentions NOTHING about homosexuality. But ...guess what? People (Christians, no less) STILL equate S&G with 'the sin' of homosexuality.

This myth has become so firmly ingrained in their minds that the facts surrounding the story are completely disregarded. Folks such as 99percentatheism deceptively encourage and exacerbate the myth that S&G were destroyed because of rampant homosexuality to bolster their own anti-gay agenda. 99percent is well aware that S&G and its destruction (which probably never occurred anyway) had nothing to do with homosexuality.

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies . . .

Jude lived long before the Moral Majority, Fundies or the Republican Party

How, then, can such people be entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel message of Jesus?

That was Jude's concern with the perversion being taught as Christian truth, IN Christian Churches.

This is why I've become such a sceptic of Christianity in recent years.

It is the usual path once one takes up the LGBT mantle.

Few people are capable of preaching the message of Jesus.

That's true. Especially since the rise of the liberal and progressive movements.

Many more liars (either through ignorance or design) exist in the Church than do homosexuals and this should be much more a concern than who is being intimate with whom.

That sounds more like a pick up line than a concern for orthodxy.

[99percentatheism]

KCKID

[Replying to post 242 by 99percentatheism]

So what. None of that changes the fact that bible doesn't mention anything about female homosexuality or that the S & G story didn't mention anything about homosexuals either.

To insert LGBT morality into the Biblie and Christian morality is both unsettling and creepy.

I don't know of anyone here (other than you) who is 'inserting LGBT morality' into the Bible. I quickly add that God's 'morality' is rather wanting as it is. Few are as fanatical as you are about your precious Bible which, to you, appears to be God Himself.

This is the apologetics section. The Bible should be a reference guide here.

All people appear to be doing is accepting - and encouraging others to accept - people of diverse sexual persuasions. You see homosexuality as a biblical sin while others clearly do not.

Atheists and other grossly antithetical perspectives maybe. Homosexuality carried the death sentence in th OT and needed to be jettisoned in ones life in the NT.

To you this is such a big issue that you see homosexuality, i.e. those who are simply sexually oriented toward others of the same gender, as 'the sin of sins' which serious threatens the Christian Church.

That's correct in the threat to the Church aspect. "The sin of sins,"? It's definately as heinous as it gets but there are worse sins.

To me, I find such a mindset to be, at worst, bordering on paranoia and, at best ...well, silly.

Cliches and the DSM in hand I see. How typical.

You are, after all is said and done, justifying actions by what isn't said.

Again, no one but you is interested in justifying or not justifying the private and intimate 'actions' of others. Just relax and smell the roses, man.

Three of the letters in LGBT mean sex acts. Idolatry 101 KID. I couldn't be more relaxed KID.

That is predatory in nature and shows why the concerns of Bible affirming Christians for LGBT's forcing homosexual ethics into Christian Chuches may indeed be because the wolves are no longer hiding beneath sheeps clothing and circling the herd for attack.

Pure paranoia. What else can be said?

Paranoia? Dignity and Soulforce are not imaginary adversaries of The Church KID. They are real and they are menacing.

You can never ever prove homosexuality, male or female, is ever positive in Biblical reality. The appeal to silence is a disturbing method to even try, let alone demand as you do.

I have a uni degree in Social Science and I would recommend that you shut up your Bible ASAP because it appears to be affecting you detrimentally.

Your degree only proves you passed some tests. You only focused on the material to achieve that end.

When anyone is SO affected by the words from a book (particularly misinterpreted words) it can cause them to behave irrationally.

You seem quite bent in only one-direction KID. Your hysteria about this subject? Paranoia or fixation?

Just lie down, relax and listen to the soothing sounds of an authentic nature CD that is designed to soothe the soul. It appears that your soul could do with some soothing. Note: Make sure that your Bible is way out of reach.

That sounds quite creepy KID. Kinda hippy-guru cultish.

But then again, Paul defined the minds of those that do, rather accurately it appears, from all current observable data.

News Flash: Paul is not God . . .

It says that in the New Testament.