The Delusion of Evolution

[Neandertal Ned]

There is plenty of evidence that the so-called "process" of evoution is more of a delusion than a real biological process. It is a delusion in the sense that you can only imagine a species of one genus "evolving" into the species of an entirely different animal genus by "natural selection" alone since no one has ever observed it to happen "naturally" in real life. Until physically demonstrated to have ever happened on earth let alone that is physically possible nowadays or at some distant time in the future, it can only be called a mass delusion on the part of the so-called "scientific community."

http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/ ... ution.html

http://www.god-book.com/TheEvolutionDelusion.htm



http://evolutiondelusion.blogspot.com/

Do you have any doubts or objections to evolution being classified as a mass delusion or modern myth?

[Neandertal Ned]

Where do you draw the exact line then between especially created by God as human and created by God as just another animal? Which of them is what?

As you distinguished between them yourself, Man (human) was specially created by God as a living soul, and all other creatures were simply created as animals. You know that. Why play dumb?

OK. This one who is
Australopithecus Afarensis:




was created an animal

and this one Homo habilis:



was especially created by God to be a human. Obvious isn't it?

Artists love creating images of something they have never seen, Artie.

Hollywood makeup artists and evolutionary artists are no different.

http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Jesu ... ctures.htm

actually, i think you'll find they are rather different. for a start, evolutionary sculptors have science and fossils to work with, so they have a set path in mind.
the other kind don't have said science, so just make up a plan, so are you seriously accusing these people of being charlatans?

No, but I would not disagree with anyone who suggested that "these people" ARE charlatans. The images of Jesus are obviously based on a human figure. The synthetic model reconstructions which Artie thinks are either real animals or are created by a god are based on the artist's Darwinist intention to depict nonhuman African apes as human as possible while depicting the first so-called "species" of Man (Homo) in Africa as chimp-like as possible. Lucy, a nonhuman Australopithicine female ape, is made to look like an early African woman and Handy Man, if he ever existed, would have been an African male so I wonder about the Darwinist intention to depict him as more chimp-like than Lucy.

Homo habilis is a very complicated species to describe. No two researchers attribute all the same specimens as habilis, and few can agree on what traits define habilis, if it is a valid species at all, and even whether or not it belongs in the genus Homo or Australopithecus. Hopefully, future discoveries and future cladistic analyses of the specimens involved may clear up these issues, or at least better define what belongs in the species.

http://archaeologyinfo.com/homo-habilis/

[Neandertal Ned]

actually, i think you'll find they are rather different. for a start, evolutionary sculptors have science and fossils to work with, so they have a set path in mind.
the other kind don't have said science, so just make up a plan, so are you seriously accusing these people of being charlatans?

He accuses practically every biologist and every other person working on or believing in evolution or evolution related research living or dead to be involved in a worldwide conspiracy with the sole purpose of robbing him of his great privilege of having been especially created by a god, if I understand him correctly.

Not only of trying to rob me but of trying to rob everyone else in the world of the priviledge of becoming a child of God.

[Neandertal Ned]

As you distinguished between them yourself, Man (human) was specially created by God as a living soul, and all other creatures were simply created as animals. You know that. Why play dumb?

Please provide objective and tangible evidence that 1) man was specifically created by God, that man has a 'living soul', and that God exists.

It is written in the Jewish Book of Genesis.

[Neandertal Ned]

i know, and that alone bothers me. does this man have any tangible evidence?

The OP says "It is a delusion in the sense that you can only imagine a species of one genus "evolving" into the species of an entirely different animal genus by "natural selection" alone since no one has ever observed it to happen "naturally" in real life. Until physically demonstrated to have ever happened on earth let alone that is physically possible nowadays or at some distant time in the future, it can only be called a mass delusion on the part of the so-called "scientific community.""

I can just use his logic and say creation is a delusion "since no one has ever observed it happen in real life. Until physically demonstrated to have ever happened on earth let alone that it is physically possible nowadays or at some distant time in the future, creation can only be called a mass delusion on the part of the so-called Christian community."

Dawkins beat you to it.

Don't forget to include the Jewish and Muslim community if you want to go Dawkins on us.

[Goat]

As you distinguished between them yourself, Man (human) was specially created by God as a living soul, and all other creatures were simply created as animals. You know that. Why play dumb?

Please provide objective and tangible evidence that 1) man was specifically created by God, that man has a 'living soul', and that God exists.

It is written in the Jewish Book of Genesis.

Now, how is that objective?
How is that tangible,
and how is that evidence?

And, not only that, how does 'Genesis' show that there is a 'living soul'? What is the passages, and what do those passages mean, in context?

It seems to me that, well, your answer fails, at every level.

[Nilloc James]

The chemical process of the formation of coral and limestone seems to be the same.

http://geology.com/rocks/limestone.shtml

Coral are marine animals.

Limestone is a type of sedimentary rock.


Coral are formed by either polyps or when gametes meet.

Limestone is formed from the deposition of calcium carbonate.

Is it possible for me to point out any clearer how absurd this statement is?
Time and time again it appears the greatest opposition to science is by those who understand it the least.

Trouble with too much science is that everyone ends up interpreting the data to suit their own set of "facts."

Ok let me point out the big difference between the two in such a way you will even understand it Ned. Coral is formed from living creatures, limestone is formed sometimes by dead creatures. Get it? Coral alive, limestone dead.

Wow, you are so informative. Is that why one is called biological limestone and the other, sedimentary limestone?

You are misrepresenting the sources, blatantly making things up and when called on it denouncing science and logic. Intellectual dishonesty at its most blatant.

[Nilloc James]

i know, and that alone bothers me. does this man have any tangible evidence?

The OP says "It is a delusion in the sense that you can only imagine a species of one genus "evolving" into the species of an entirely different animal genus by "natural selection" alone since no one has ever observed it to happen "naturally" in real life. Until physically demonstrated to have ever happened on earth let alone that is physically possible nowadays or at some distant time in the future, it can only be called a mass delusion on the part of the so-called "scientific community.""

I can just use his logic and say creation is a delusion "since no one has ever observed it happen in real life. Until physically demonstrated to have ever happened on earth let alone that it is physically possible nowadays or at some distant time in the future, creation can only be called a mass delusion on the part of the so-called Christian community."

Dawkins beat you to it.

Don't forget to include the Jewish and Muslim community if you want to go Dawkins on us.

Witty responses are not the same as genuinely responding the the objection raised. Batting away questions is not good debating, honestly assessing them is.

[micatala]

actually, i think you'll find they are rather different. for a start, evolutionary sculptors have science and fossils to work with, so they have a set path in mind.
the other kind don't have said science, so just make up a plan, so are you seriously accusing these people of being charlatans?

He accuses practically every biologist and every other person working on or believing in evolution or evolution related research living or dead to be involved in a worldwide conspiracy with the sole purpose of robbing him of his great privilege of having been especially created by a god, if I understand him correctly.

Not only of trying to rob me but of trying to rob everyone else in the world of the priviledge of becoming a child of God.

I accept that evolution is a fact.

I am also blessed to be a child of God.

I really am not sure how the first is supposed to rob me of the second. I have no problem with both.

If anyone thinks believing in evolution robs me of my faith, or attempts to dissuade me from faith by pointing to evolution, I am afraid I must be a sore disappointment to them. I see no reason to have my faith and other beliefs boxed in by the assumptions or illogical arguments of others.

[Artie]

actually, i think you'll find they are rather different. for a start, evolutionary sculptors have science and fossils to work with, so they have a set path in mind.
the other kind don't have said science, so just make up a plan, so are you seriously accusing these people of being charlatans?

He accuses practically every biologist and every other person working on or believing in evolution or evolution related research living or dead to be involved in a worldwide conspiracy with the sole purpose of robbing him of his great privilege of having been especially created by a god, if I understand him correctly.

Not only of trying to rob me but of trying to rob everyone else in the world of the priviledge of becoming a child of God.

I accept that evolution is a fact.

I am also blessed to be a child of God.

I really am not sure how the first is supposed to rob me of the second. I have no problem with both.

If anyone thinks believing in evolution robs me of my faith, or attempts to dissuade me from faith by pointing to evolution, I am afraid I must be a sore disappointment to them. I see no reason to have my faith and other beliefs boxed in by the assumptions or illogical arguments of others.

Thanks for being a voice of reason in the Christian wilderness and showing that it is not necessary to discard logic, reason or common sense or evidence to be a Christian.

[marizfaith]

actually, i think you'll find they are rather different. for a start, evolutionary sculptors have science and fossils to work with, so they have a set path in mind.
the other kind don't have said science, so just make up a plan, so are you seriously accusing these people of being charlatans?

He accuses practically every biologist and every other person working on or believing in evolution or evolution related research living or dead to be involved in a worldwide conspiracy with the sole purpose of robbing him of his great privilege of having been especially created by a god, if I understand him correctly.

Not only of trying to rob me but of trying to rob everyone else in the world of the priviledge of becoming a child of God.

I accept that evolution is a fact.

I am also blessed to be a child of God.

I really am not sure how the first is supposed to rob me of the second. I have no problem with both.

If anyone thinks believing in evolution robs me of my faith, or attempts to dissuade me from faith by pointing to evolution, I am afraid I must be a sore disappointment to them. I see no reason to have my faith and other beliefs boxed in by the assumptions or illogical arguments of others.

That is exactly my belief too. I too don't think it matters much as everything in this world is interrelated.