Is Jehovah's Witness Christain

[Donray]

The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith

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Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:
Taking verses out of their immediate context.
Refusing to read verses in the entire Biblical context.
Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
Changing the meanings of words.
Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
Adding to the Word of God.

I thought that any Christina church needed to believe in the Trinity otherwise they are not Christian.

For debate are the Jehovah Witness Christian?

[JehovahsWitness]

https://carm.org/do-you-have-to-believe ... -christian
The doctrine of the Trinity is the proper Biblical teaching concerning the nature of God. It is one of the defining elements of the Christian faith. The Trinity, like the deity of Christ (John 8:24, John 1:1, 14, Colossians 2:9), Christ's physical resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:14, 17), and justification by faith alone in Christ alone (Romans 3:28, 4:1-5, 5:1, Galatians 2:21) are among the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. To deny any of these is to deny what makes Christianity Christian. But, I want to make it clear that we believe these things because they are true and because the Holy Spirit who indwells Christians bears witness of truth (John 14:26, 15:26).

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Fine copy and pasting skills but can you not use your own words to defend a trinitarian interpretation on the above? This is after all, a debating forum.

Why (in your own words) do you believe that any of those scriptures impose a trinitarian meaning?

[ttruscott]

Yes, they are Christians, as are the Mormons. A Christian is a follower of Christ, and they are followers of Christ as much as the Evangelicals, the Roman Catholics, the Mainline Protestants, the Eastern Orthodox, etc.

They are as Christian as any other sect or denomination.

Could those who successfully do miracles in His name and cast out demons in His name be called Christian? They identify as Christian, they accept their powers as coming from Christ. Yet... Matt 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? 23 Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness. Was Jesus wasting His time telling us nothing here? Does not "in your name" indicate they self identified as Christian and were accepted as Christian by all except Christ? I think we need a little better discrimination here...

Matthew 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
The all inclusive, take everyone at face value pov expressed here would seem to open us up to false prophets and whether they stand alone or start Churches of either great magnitude or great wealth, they are still wolves and beget wolves...they are not Christian, they are lawless and were never known by Christ.

What does "sheep" mean in this verse? It obviously means they are fake Christians and does not prophet indicate they have a position of accepted authority??? Does not the phrase "babe in the woods" refer to a child lacking discernment who accepts the wild wolf as a nice doggy?? It is not a sign of superior generosity of spirit to accept everyone who claims the Name, it is a sign of immature lack of discernment.

imhCo of course...

[Donray]

[Replying to post 40 by JehovahsWitness]

Why do I need to show the word trinity? I don't believe in the trinity, God or Jesus.

I am trying to figure out what you and the JWs believe. I said you believe in two deities. Is that correct? I also said that the majority 99% of Christians believe in the trinity and one god not two like you do.

Therefore either 99% of the so called Christians are incorrect and the JWSs are the only true Christians or the JWS are not Christians.

So which is it?

[tigger2]

[Replying to post 43 by Donray]

JW's, as I'm sure you already know, believe that only one person is God. That person is the Father alone and is named YHWH nearly 7000 times in the Hebrew scriptures of the OT.

Historically that name has been transliterated into English as Jehovah. It is found in the KJV at Psalm 83:18 where it states "that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." It is found throughout the OT in the ASV.

JWs believe that Jesus was sent by the Father (Jehovah) to be savior and king of mankind. He is not God, but he is the second most important person in existence.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 40 by JehovahsWitness]

Why do I need to show the word trinity? I don't believe in the trinity, God or Jesus.

I am trying to figure out what you and the JWs believe. I said you believe in two deities. Is that correct? I also said that the majority 99% of Christians believe in the trinity and one god not two like you do.

Therefore either 99% of the so called Christians are incorrect and the JWSs are the only true Christians or the JWS are not Christians.

So which is it?

The truth about any issue, including the trinity doctrine, is not settled by what the majority view is, and likewise whether or not someone is a Christian.

It is not all or nothing. It is neither "all are Christian" nor "only we are Christian".

[Donray]

The truth about any issue, including the trinity doctrine, is not settled by what the majority view is, and likewise whether or not someone is a Christian.

It is not all or nothing. It is neither "all are Christian" nor "only we are Christian".

Tell me if there is there any one doctrine that defines a Christian. According to you are Christian if you believe that there was a God of the OT and a new god (Jesus) of the NT. So one can believe in two gods and still be Christian.

I guess one can believe in many gods and still be a Christian.

One does need to ware magic underwear to be a Christian.

One can not attend any church and be a Christian?

One can believe that Jesus is only a man like Muslims and be a Christian.

From what Christians have replied here one just needs to think I am a Christian and they are a Christian. Don't need to believe that anything in the bible is true.

Do I have this correct????????

[Elijah John]

The truth about any issue, including the trinity doctrine, is not settled by what the majority view is, and likewise whether or not someone is a Christian.

It is not all or nothing. It is neither "all are Christian" nor "only we are Christian".

Tell me if there is there any one doctrine that defines a Christian. According to you are Christian if you believe that there was a God of the OT and a new god (Jesus) of the NT. So one can believe in two gods and still be Christian.

I guess one can believe in many gods and still be a Christian.

One does need to ware magic underwear to be a Christian.

One can not attend any church and be a Christian?

One can believe that Jesus is only a man like Muslims and be a Christian.

From what Christians have replied here one just needs to think I am a Christian and they are a Christian. Don't need to believe that anything in the bible is true.

Do I have this correct????????

Nowhere does the Bible suggest that one needs to believe that Jesus is "God" in order to be a Christian.

Seems only reasonable that one believe in the treachings of Jesus though, to be a Christian.

Folks may differ on the application and the interpretation of those teachings, and still be considered Christian.

For the purposes of these forums, yes, if one wants to define themselves as a Christian, one is considered a Christian here. But that implies SOME allegiance to Jesus and his teachings.

Of course, outside of these forums, the creedal Churches and Evangelicals may not accept our very broad definition of the term.

[catnip]

[Replying to post 40 by JehovahsWitness]

Why do I need to show the word trinity? I don't believe in the trinity, God or Jesus.

I am trying to figure out what you and the JWs believe. I said you believe in two deities. Is that correct? I also said that the majority 99% of Christians believe in the trinity and one god not two like you do.

Therefore either 99% of the so called Christians are incorrect and the JWSs are the only true Christians or the JWS are not Christians.

So which is it?

Heavens! It is bad enough that Christians try drawing lines in the sand as to who is a Christian and who isn't! Why on earth would it matter to a person of no faith what another person believes about the nature of God? All this belies the point of faith, the spiritual, anyway. If you wish to pick on JWs, then why not pick on what they think Jesus is--Michael the Archangel? There are so many differences.

It is one thing to discuss differences in belief, but prejudices aside. It does no one any good spiritually. If, for example, I could get people to stop hating each other over their differences, because prejudice is spiritual poison to the person who nurtures it, I would. Begin by doing the loving thing and be reasonable for your own sake. And yes, strangely enough, I think this applies to atheists, too. I think mind and body are intimately connected and positive attitudes are healing and negative attitudes are sickening.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 40 by JehovahsWitness]

Why do I need to show the word trinity? I don't believe in the trinity, God or Jesus.

I am trying to figure out what you and the JWs believe. I said you believe in two deities. Is that correct? I also said that the majority 99% of Christians believe in the trinity and one god not two like you do.

Therefore either 99% of the so called Christians are incorrect and the JWSs are the only true Christians or the JWS are not Christians.

So which is it?

Both, Triitarians, AND Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians.

JW's believe in only one Deity, that is the Father Jehovah. In this, they are similar to the classic 19th century Unitarian* Christians. UNItarian, as opposed to TRINitarian. Unitarian minister William Ellery Channing stated: "The Father alone is God"

Fact is, some Christians believe that the Father alone is God, but the vast majority of Christians are Trinitarians.

But BOTH camps are Christian, especially in light of the broad definition (criteria) here on these boards.

(*not to be confused with modern UU's, the organization does not even require belief in God anymore....at all.)

[Donray]

Nowhere does the Bible suggest that one needs to believe that Jesus is "God" in order to be a Christian.

Seems only reasonable that one believe in the treachings of Jesus though, to be a Christian.

Folks may differ on the application and the interpretation of those teachings, and still be considered Christian.

For the purposes of these forums, yes, if one wants to define themselves as a Christian, one is considered a Christian here. But that implies SOME allegiance to Jesus and his teachings.

Of course, outside of these forums, the creedal Churches and Evangelicals may not accept our very broad definition of the term.

I guess that almost all atheists are really atheist Christians.

I think a lot of us atheist believe in some fashion the teachings of peace and love taught by a man called Jesus as will as thus taught by Buddha.

I guess I am the Atheist Buddhist Christian denomination of the Original Roman Catholic Church.