I hope to learn something here, what you think.
My thought is the purpose of religion is to bring ones own life into harmony with the will of God. Agree or disagree .
Curious what you think , believer and atheist .
What is the purpose of religion
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #61Please show where anyone on this this thread has argued for Krishna being an authority or where anyone has quoted words and then claimed they belonged to Krishna like you have for Jesus.dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 54 by Clownboat]
Interestingly Jesus Socrates Buddha have an influence on the morality and behavior of most of the population. I just read the Bhagavad gita last week and well Krishna didn't write anything either. Some people even say Moses didn't write the Pentateuch or Homer the Iliad, or even Shakespeare the plays. To say Jesus didn't write anything is a weak argument.
When you can't, please realize that Jesus and Krishna are equally not authorities. You are sure free to believe such people said such things though. That is where faith comes in, but please don't pretend that we have anything from Jesus or Krishna directly. What we have are claims, mostly from unknown authors at unknown times making claims on behalf of Jesus.
I know, it is unfortunate that the son of a god didn't forsee this being an issue.
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #62[Replying to Clownboat]
First tell me what the thousands of unbelievable gods pointing in different directions have to do with the purpose of religion other than to derail the discussion with troll scat.
I have already made clear quite a while ago what I think is the purpose of religion so i'm done here.
First tell me what the thousands of unbelievable gods pointing in different directions have to do with the purpose of religion other than to derail the discussion with troll scat.
I have already made clear quite a while ago what I think is the purpose of religion so i'm done here.
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #63dio9 wrote:
I have already made clear quite a while ago what I think is the purpose of religion so i'm done here.
Not really. As you'll see from the exchange below, you have described two different purposes for religion. You never answered my question concerning the difference between these two purposes. You have not made it clear at all.
Tcg wrote:dio9 wrote: [Replying to William]
You are spot on, the ultimate purpose of religion is to bring all the tribes into one tribe called humanity. This is the glass ceiling religions needs to shatter today.
Given that you told me this:
Religion's absolute purpose is to point the way toward absolute value .
What do you see as the difference between "ultimate purpose" and "absolute purpose"?
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #64[Replying to post 62 by Tcg]
guess I should have said absolute rather than ultimate. but I kinda thought they were synonymous.
guess I should have said absolute rather than ultimate. but I kinda thought they were synonymous.
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #65dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 62 by Tcg]
guess I should have said absolute rather than ultimate. but I kinda thought they were synonymous.
Given that admission, then you have stated two different purposes as the absolute purpose of religion. That's one absolute purpose too many!
Edit: Upon review, I found another purpose you claim is the purpose of religion. From your OP:
My thought is the purpose of religion is to bring ones own life into harmony with the will of God.
That's three different purposes you have claimed as the purpose of religion.
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #66According to my own estimation - no way!William wrote: [Replying to post 41 by ttruscott]
Is the purpose of religion to bring those tribal alliances into one alliance, as one 'tribe' called 'Humanity'?
According to many religious scripts, apparently - no.
According to many religious histories, apparently - no.
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #67[Replying to post 64 by Tcg]
Sorry If I misspoke the absolute purpose Is to point to God.Well yes to my mind it stands to reason we would want to get in harmony . So when we find God getting in harmony seems the natural thing to do. Ya see humans have a portion of responsibility too.
Sorry If I misspoke the absolute purpose Is to point to God.Well yes to my mind it stands to reason we would want to get in harmony . So when we find God getting in harmony seems the natural thing to do. Ya see humans have a portion of responsibility too.
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #68dio9 wrote: [Replying to Clownboat]
These gods were all believed or still are. Therefore they are/were believable gods. You don't get to just declare them as unbelievable.First tell me what the thousands of unbelievable gods pointing in different directions have to do with the purpose of religion other than to derail the discussion with troll scat.
Then there is the fact that all the differing religions point to different god concepts. They cannot all be pointing to something unified if they are pointing to different concepts.
Correction, you have alluded to 3 purposes of religion. You really are all over the place.I have already made clear quite a while ago what I think is the purpose of religion so i'm done here.
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If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #69[Replying to post 67 by Clownboat]
Religions being apparently separate does not in itself make any GOD likewise actually in the same state of being.
It is somewhat like a group of blind folk in a room, all touching different parts of an elephant and declaring from that 'what the elephant 'looks' like.
What ever the declarations, the truth of the matter is that the elephant looks like an elephant.
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Actually there is indeed a way in which this can be achieved. See post#12 from another thread, where I write to that idea.Then there is the fact that all the differing religions point to different god concepts. They cannot all be pointing to something unified if they are pointing to different concepts.
Religions being apparently separate does not in itself make any GOD likewise actually in the same state of being.
It is somewhat like a group of blind folk in a room, all touching different parts of an elephant and declaring from that 'what the elephant 'looks' like.
What ever the declarations, the truth of the matter is that the elephant looks like an elephant.
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Re: What is the purpose of religion
Post #70Some religions are pointing to their god and describing an elephant while others are pointing to their god and describing a fruit tree. Some religions even have numerous elephants/fruit trees, or so they claim.William wrote: [Replying to post 67 by Clownboat]
Actually there is indeed a way in which this can be achieved. See post#12 from another thread, where I write to that idea.Then there is the fact that all the differing religions point to different god concepts. They cannot all be pointing to something unified if they are pointing to different concepts.
Religions being apparently separate does not in itself make any GOD likewise actually in the same state of being.
It is somewhat like a group of blind folk in a room, all touching different parts of an elephant and declaring from that 'what the elephant 'looks' like.
What ever the declarations, the truth of the matter is that the elephant looks like an elephant.
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Yes, the elephant and the fruit tree are the god being claimed by each religion, but these religions are pointing to two very different things. Therefore, you could claim that religions point to the gods, but not to any specific god concept nor to any specific qualities about any specific god.
From the OP:
My thought is the purpose of religion is to bring ones own life into harmony with the will of God. Agree or disagree.
I disagree because there are far to many god concepts to be able to claim that the purpose of religion is to bring ones own life into harmony with the will of a god. Which god would need to be defined.
Take a Christian for example, they have been indoctrinated to believe that there can be only one god, and that just happens to be the god of their religion. Therefore, to a Christian, all the other god concepts are from Satan and do not infact bring ones own life into harmony with the will of any god.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
