Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

[polonius]

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

There is some claim that really occurred in 1914. But it didn't. So, what's the claim now?

www.britannica.com/topic/Jehovahs-Witnesses

The Adventist movement emerged in the 1830s around the predictions of William Miller, who proclaimed that Jesus Christ would return in 1843 or 1844.

When Christ did not return as Miller prophecied, Adventists divided into a number of factions.

During the 1870s, Charles Taze Russell established himself as an independent and controversial Adventist teacher.

He rejected belief in hell as a place of eternal torment and adopted a non-Trinitarian theology that denied the divinity of Jesus. He also interpreted the Second Coming in accordance with the literal translation of the original Greek term, parousia (presence), suggesting that Christ would come as an invisible presence and that the Parousia, or Millennial Dawn, already had occurred, in 1874.

The coming of Christs invisible presence signaled the end of the current order of society and would be followed by his visible presence and the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth in 1914.

Although the kingdom did not come, Russells teachings motivated a number of volunteers to circulate his many books and pamphlets and a periodical, The Watchtower, and to recalculate the time of the Parousia.

So when will Christ's visible presence and the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth occur?

[polonius]

Sojournerofthearth posted:

(quote)Destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem (Luke 21:26, Mat 24:2), the mass killing of the Jews by Rome, (Luke 23:27-31); some people would also include Daniel's prophecies in that..(quote)

QUESTION:

What do these prophecies have to do with the Second Coming (the topic) during the lifetime of many of Jesus followers?

Luke 23:27-31 27A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!' 30Then "'they will say to the mountains, "Fall on us!" and to the hills, "Cover us!"' 31For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?"

. Luke 21:26-30 26People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." 29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near.

Matthew 24:2-5 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many.

[JehovahsWitness]

I hasten to add that I do think they have in fact learned their lesson and will not make that mistake yet again.

So how long befor we can put that behind us and move on? 40? 50 years ? Or shall we just call for and even 100?

He rejected belief in hell as a place of eternal torment and adopted a non-Trinitarian theology that denied the divinity of Jesus. He also interpreted the Second Coming in accordance with the literal translation of the original Greek term, parousia (presence), suggesting that Christ would come as an invisible presence and that the Parousia, or Millennial Dawn, already had occurred, in 1874.

Oh apparently one hundred years is not quite enough after all... well were coming up for 150 years for the above so... I'm sure that's not to be considered excessive. Yes we were wrong about something in 1874...might it be time to get over that one?

[Checkpoint]

I hasten to add that I do think they have in fact learned their lesson and will not make that mistake yet again.

So how long befor we can put that behind us and move on? 40? 50 years ? Or shall we just call for and even 100?

He rejected belief in hell as a place of eternal torment and adopted a non-Trinitarian theology that denied the divinity of Jesus. He also interpreted the Second Coming in accordance with the literal translation of the original Greek term, parousia (presence), suggesting that Christ would come as an invisible presence and that the Parousia, or Millennial Dawn, already had occurred, in 1874.

Oh apparently one hundred years is not quite enough after all... well were coming up for 150 years for the above so... I'm sure that's not to be considered excessive. Yes we were wrong about something in 1874...might it be time to get over that one?

You wrote post 62 and chose "100 years", not me.

The simple fact is the WTS made a rod for their own back, which others may choose to use at will.

To get over something is not to erase our memory of it.

[JehovahsWitness]

The simple fact is the WTS made a rod for their own back, which others may choose to use at will.

...

Fair enough. We were wrong; carry on!


JW

[Checkpoint]

The simple fact is the WTS made a rod for their own back, which others may choose to use at will.

...

Fair enough. We were wrong; carry on!


JW

Good one. Yes, carry on and move on.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 58 by Checkpoint]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium? Or did I miss his explanation?

Why bother?

Such explanations are a dime a dozen, as are the claims they try to support.

"vanity, and grasping after wind".

True. I was just curious to see how he arrived at his conclusion.

[onewithhim]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium?

May be, but why is anyone waiting to find out the start date of something that started almost 2000 years ago? Ah, well, because they don't realize it, I guess. What these folks think is the start of the millennium will actually be the end of it.

Grace and peace to you all.

Something like that; yes.

What comes right after the millennium? Revelation 20: 11-15..the final judgment.

When does the judgment take place? At the return of Christ, the one we have been waiting for.

Wait.....Checkpoint, you also believe we are IN the Millennium NOW? I have asked Pinseeker to respond to a certain question, which he never did. I said, if we are in the Millennium, then why is Satan still on the loose? Why is the world still so wild and wicked? I wonder if he noticed that the world would be ruled by Christ and his co-rulers for the thousand years, with Satan in the "abyss." How could we be living during that time now?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 58 by Checkpoint]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium? Or did I miss his explanation?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042

It is ironic that in a thread criticising the errors of Jehovahs Witnesses made over 100 years ago, we have a real live prediction made by one of our own forum members that goes pretty much unacknowledged. I'm sure if you or I said JEHOVAHS WITNESSES currently predict the start of the millenium for 2042 there would be a new thread with our names quoting us, set up weekly for general discussion on the folly and madness of The Watchtower.

And the threads would run for a year.

JW

Quite so, fair point, in principle.

However, you appear to have overlooked two things.

1975 was not 100 years ago.

A prediction made and advanced by one person is not the same as the WTS doing so....again.

I hasten to add that I do think they have in fact learned their lesson and will not make that mistake yet again.

Well thank you for that.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 58 by Checkpoint]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium? Or did I miss his explanation?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042

It is ironic that in a thread criticising the errors of Jehovahs Witnesses made over 100 years ago, we have a real live prediction made by one of our own forum members that goes pretty much unacknowledged. I'm sure if you or I said JEHOVAHS WITNESSES currently predict the start of the millenium for 2042 there would be a new thread with our names quoting us, set up weekly for general discussion on the folly and madness of The Watchtower.

And the threads would run for a year.

JW

Quite so, fair point, in principle.

However, you appear to have overlooked two things.

1975 was not 100 years ago.

A prediction made and advanced by one person is not the same as the WTS doing so....again.

I hasten to add that I do think they have in fact learned their lesson and will not make that mistake yet again.

Well thank you for that.

You are most welcome; onewithhim!

[Sojournerofthearth]

[Replying to post 70 by polonius]

Sojournerofthearth posted:

(quote)Destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem (Luke 21:26, Mat 24:2), the mass killing of the Jews by Rome, (Luke 23:27-31); some people would also include Daniel's prophecies in that..(quote)

QUESTION:

What do these prophecies have to do with the Second Coming (the topic) during the lifetime of many of Jesus followers?

Luke 23:27-31 27A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!' 30Then "'they will say to the mountains, "Fall on us!" and to the hills, "Cover us!"' 31For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?"

. Luke 21:26-30 26People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." 29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near.

Matthew 24:2-5 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many.

Good Evening Polonius,

Very little. They were actually prophecies of the destruction of Jerusalem, in 70AD. I was just answering Postroad's question in Post 68. I'm not even sure which post that hailed from.

Soj