Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:40 am

For those who claim that the Bible is the "inerrant Word of God" why do you believe this?

Seems to me the arguments to support this belief are usually circular. As in "The Bible is inerrant because it is the Word of God". And evidence that the Bible is the Word of God?" Because the Bible is without error or contradiction", i.e. inerrant.

Consider this OP a challenge. Give the skeptic a better argument to convince them that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God than the usual circular argument.

Why do you believe and why should the skeptic believe that the Bible is the "inerrant Word of God"?

Break out of the circle.

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:43 pm

[Replying to post 73 by PinSeeker]

No, I have faith from God and in God that the book is about Christ (as He Himself said) from beginning to end. And as such, it helps me to see and to know Christ, Who, still, is the object of my faith, and therefore Whom I worship.

And despite claiming that, all you have is an unverified belief. What criteria did you use and how did you apply them in order to distinguish between all of that being real and all of that being a product of your imagination? Unless you can supply that, it is not unreasonable to dismiss it as just self-delusion.

PinSeeker · Post by **PinSeeker** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:49 pm

brunumb wrote:
PinSeeker wrote:
brunumb wrote: The Christian God is just another one in the pantheon. It will eventually be discarded like so many others before it.
Is that your "faith" talking?
No. It is based on observed trends in religious belief.

No, it's an opinion of yours. I respect it, and I respect that you hold it, but alas, it is what it is... an opinion.

I used "faith" in quotes in that original question, because you seem to think "faith" is equivalent to something akin to a wish. And it is, outside of Biblical faith. I respect and accept your answer of 'no' to that, though, for whatever that's worth to you.

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:49 pm

[Replying to post 77 by rikuoamero]

I've been told all sorts of things - like God can't be around sin...except for when he was around Adam and Eve before they covered themselves, or when Jesus had meals with sinners.

Or when the ultimate sinner, Satan, just wandered in and the two of them engaged in a game of torture involving poor old Job.

PinSeeker · Post by **PinSeeker** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:53 pm

brunumb wrote: [Replying to post 73 by PinSeeker]

No, I have faith from God and in God that the book is about Christ (as He Himself said) from beginning to end. And as such, it helps me to see and to know Christ, Who, still, is the object of my faith, and therefore Whom I worship.
And despite claiming that, all you have is an unverified belief.

Well, unverified to you. Sure. I get that; that's not in question.

brunumb wrote: What criteria did you use and how did you apply them in order to distinguish between all of that being real and all of that being a product of your imagination? Unless you can supply that, it is not unreasonable to dismiss it as just self-delusion.

I'm fine with that. I fully expect that from you.

Grace and peace to you.

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:01 pm

[Replying to post 76 by PinSeeker]

Never mind whether you believe sin is real or not; that's irrelevant to the question. I'd like to hear your definition of sin.

It's not irrelevant to the question. The definition of sin only applies in the context of an existent God. Any thought or action that this alleged God does not like is classified as a sin. The problem is that the only information regarding the likes and dislikes of God come from his self-appointed intermediaries on earth. If there is no God, then these intermediaries are just creating their own catalogue of things which they deem as sinful. It's all just designed to exercise control and keep the faithful in line.

If God does not exist then it follows that sin is just a made up human concept. Telling people that they suffer from an imaginary condition and offering them an equally imaginary cure is rather pathetic really. If people want to live their own lives based on a delusion that is fine, as long as it does not needlessly impact on the rest of us.

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:09 pm

[Replying to post 83 by PinSeeker]

brunumb: What criteria did you use and how did you apply them in order to distinguish between all of that being real and all of that being a product of your imagination? Unless you can supply that, it is not unreasonable to dismiss it as just self-delusion.

PinSeeker: I'm fine with that.

So, no criteria. I guess you are happy with self-delusion. That is your privilege. But it is therefore not unreasonable for people to dismiss claims presented as truth if they have not been tested and the results of those tests also presented.

PinSeeker · Post by **PinSeeker** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:17 pm

brunumb wrote: [Replying to post 83 by PinSeeker]

brunumb: What criteria did you use and how did you apply them in order to distinguish between all of that being real and all of that being a product of your imagination? Unless you can supply that, it is not unreasonable to dismiss it as just self-delusion.

PinSeeker: I'm fine with that.
So, no criteria. I guess you are happy with self-delusion. That is your privilege. But it is therefore not unreasonable for people to dismiss claims presented as truth if they have not been tested and the results of those tests also presented.

No, I'm fine with you dismissing it as self-delusion. That you do means absolutely nothing to me. Again, grace and peace to you.

PinSeeker · Post by **PinSeeker** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:20 pm

brunumb wrote: [Replying to post 76 by PinSeeker]

Never mind whether you believe sin is real or not; that's irrelevant to the question. I'd like to hear your definition of sin.
It's not irrelevant to the question...

This question was for rik, brunum. Not you. Grace and peace to you.

rikuoamero · Post by **rikuoamero** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:52 am

PinSeeker wrote:
brunumb wrote: [Replying to post 76 by PinSeeker]

Never mind whether you believe sin is real or not; that's irrelevant to the question. I'd like to hear your definition of sin.
It's not irrelevant to the question...
This question was for rik, brunum. Not you. Grace and peace to you.

Well, I don't think or know anything about sin. From my point of view, it is a completely non-existent concept. It's something made up.
So let's go back to your getting-cut-off-in-traffic analogy. You get cut off, you scream a litany of foul language. You and I agree that this is an expression of anger.
What makes this "sin"?

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:17 am

[Replying to post 87 by PinSeeker]

This question was for rik, brunum. Not you.

It's an open forum PinSeek. Grapes and peas.