JehovahsWitness wrote:
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Replying to post 1 by liamconnor]
A man becomes a father when he first has a child. YHWH became a Father when he created his first child. Obviously YHWH/Jehovah is infinite and he
existed prior to becoming "
a father", just as your father existed as an individual long before you were born.
- In view of the above, we can reasonably say no, FATHERHOOD is not an integral part of his being, it is an aspect of what He became (JEHOVAH means "causes to become" so he can become and cause to become anything he so wishes; so at a certain moment evidently God wished to become a father, so he became one starting his own family*). Arguably, if the relationship between "The Word" and YHWH were equal infinity from before the beginning of time, then one would not be described as being "The Father" of the other; a more logical analogy would probably be "THE TWINS"
In any case, Jesus (The Word)
is a created being and as such there was a time when he (The Word/The Logos) did not exist. So the Father has NOT always been a
Father, but "
The Son" was, from the moment he was created a son.
[* ]NOTE: The bible indicates YHWH was a father long before Jesus was born as a human on earth to the virgin Mary. The book of Genesis speaks about rebellious "sons of God" and the bible book of Job refers to the "sons of God" witnessing the creation of the earth and stars. So YHWH became a father when he created his first spirit son in the heavens.
CONCLUSION To presume both Father and Son existed as such from the beginning of all time as equally infinite beings, is to negate the fundamental notion of both words. YHWH Almighty God Jehovah has always existed, He is infinite. He became a Father when he first started a family.
JW
well lets see/hear the PROOF then,,,,
You do not need anyone to TELL US what it is that we either " KNOW " and or " Do Not Kown and or Believe! " thank you, I will take care of my own belief's with Yeshua help alone..
Yeshua is the Only Begotten Son, as per the Bible, what more do you need to see or know about this apart form Gods word telling you all about it ? MATTHEW 1 tells us,,
Mat 1:18 Here is how the birth of Yeshua the Messiah took place. When his mother Miryam was engaged to Yosef, before they were married, she was found to be pregnant from the Ruach HaKodesh.
Mat 1:19 Her husband-to-be, Yosef, was a man who did what was right; so he made plans to break the engagement quietly, rather than put her to public shame.
Mat 1:20 But while he was thinking about this, an angel of Adonai appeared to him in a dream and said, "Yosef, son of David, do not be afraid to take Miryam home with you as your wife; for what has been conceived in her is from the Ruach HaKodesh.
Mat 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means 'Adonai saves,'] because he will save his people from their sins."
Mat 1:22 All this happened in order to fulfill what Adonai had said through the prophet,
Mat 1:23 "The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him `Immanu El." (The name means, "God is with us.")
Mat 1:24 When Yosef awoke he did what the angel of Adonai had told him to do — he took Miryam home to be his wife,
Mat 1:25 but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua.
NB; at verse 18 it clearly states, " This is how the birth of Yehsua took place... " what else needs to be told ?
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