POI wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:22 pm
POI Does <your>
intuition tell you that ALL male-on-male sex is an abomination, or not?
How is my intuition even relevant? I've never even brought intuition to decide if male on male sex is right or wrong.
(U) There are no qualifications in Leviticus on the prohibition.
POI Okay, we agree, God does not really say why all male-on-male anal sex is an abomination in Lev.
And there's no need to explain the why for all the laws.
POI I'm not necessarily asking you to prove the actual identity, but to instead prove ANY intentional designer at all. Can you do that? The claim is that things were not designed to be this way or that way.
I don't need to prove any intentional designer either.
It's obvious the penis and the vagina were designed to be used together. The main purpose of the two coming together is to reproduce. Thus it was designed to be this way.
I'm saying if there is an intentional designer at all, such a proven designer is inept. An inept designer would not be a very credible source in telling us humans what we are, and are not, allowed to do with our own bodies.
How is heterosexual sex inept?
POII say certain forms of male-on-male sex are instead neither good nor bad. This is a differing position to yours. If two consenting adults, who are monogamous, and are not violent towards one another, should choose to engage in anal sex practices, why is it still an abomination?
Really the only case where it is an "abomination" would be if they are a Christian or a Jew and they believe in the authority of the Bible. If they do not, then there's no need for them to believe it is an abomination.
I really see no difference verses if instead a male and female, under the exact same set of circumstances, were also wanting to engage in anal sex practices. Is your argument that ALL anal sex is an abomination, or, only between men on men?
I've never argued about sexual practices between a man and a woman. Technically the Bible says nothing about heterosexual anal sex.
POI I see this is in line with the current scope. One of your reasons for your case, via male-on-male sex always being no bueno, is because of the raised topic of "design". This topic needs to be vetted out. I see, at best, very poor intentional design. And at worst, no intentional design at all. If it's the former, why accept any advice from a poor designer?
No, it's obvious there is a design for the penis and vagina to work together for reproduction.
Your poor design arguments had not even been relevant to sex. Instead, what you had brought up was:
POI wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:08 pm
1. a) Prove it was designed. And once you prove that, please then illustrate why such a god would design female plumbing to so easily be cross contaminated (via UTI's, fecal contamination, etc), or why we share an airway with a food way (prone for choking), or why the prostate gland runs right through the middle of the urethra, or why we retain a useless appendix which can inflate and rupture. Let me guess, it's because of "evil"?
And to boot, he provides no reason(s) as to why it is bad, and instead leaves the dirty work for the later apologists to explain --> (you).
And as I've repeatedly argued, there is no need to explain the why. And because I answered your question of why I think are the possible reasons then I've done his "dirty work"? Makes no sense.
Can you instead just ask him why it's bad, and then tell us? Does he respond to such requests? Would he answer if you, or someone who claims to speak with him, asks him? The globe is starting to fall away from thinking or believing male-on-male anal sex is an abomination.
The globe is falling away from many principles of the Bible. And we see the repercussions of this in the sad state the entire world is currently in.
The world is falling more and more apart apparently. Maybe it is time for God to lay down the reason(s) so we may know?
Yes, the entire world is falling apart. What's more important is simply obeying the principles of the Bible and not blaming God because He does not explain the why's.
(U) As I've stated, we do not have a perfect moral sense.
POI Then we should not trust our intuitions, as it applies to having a gut feeling about what is (right and wrong)?
I agree we cannot trust our intuitions on determining exactly what is right or wrong. And if we can't trust our intuition, then how can we determine what is right or wrong?