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Namaskaram...

I hope you will find this interesting and worth your time. It is from this book...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toward_the_Light

The book can be downloaded for free here in english (scroll down)...

https://vandrer-mod-lyset.dk/e-boeger/#page-content

If you download the book you can find the following on page 617. For inspiration and debate...
To the dogmatic, the fanatical and to the narrow-minded human beings and those to whom young and undeveloped spirits have been bound, the thought will in all likelihood occur that this book is the work of Antichrist (Satan or his emissary). For the benefit of such people, the following will suggest how they should arrange that which is presented in this book, under the leadership of God and through the influence of the Light, in order to compare this with the ancient Scriptures, inherited traditions and orthodox dogmatism of human origin, all of which came into existence while Ardor was still striving to withhold from humanity as much as possible of the truth and of the Light.

Which is the Mightiest, the Highest God?

He who hitherto has appeared in the human consciousness as the creator of the imperfect human body, of that world of sin and death in which human beings live; who caused one part of his divinity to appear as a human being in order through his blood sacrifice to reconcile the other part of his divine being with the fallen and sinful beings created by his whole self?

He who in His foresight arranged all things so that He could bring His fallen children and their creatures under the regulating influence of the Light, so as to win back His children and make their creatures His own; who in all ways, by every possible means, and along many roads tries to lead the human beings away from Darkness and sin and toward truth and Light?

Which God is the more Just?

He who judges the human spirit after one brief life on Earth; who demands blind obedience and belief without understanding; who demands, through his emissaries, that true faith shall be propagated by the sword; who sanctifies war; who is the supreme war lord to one of the warfaring parties, to the other or to all of them, and who thus contradicts himself; who selects one people as his own in preference to all other peoples?

He who allows human beings a sufficient number of earthly lives to mature their spirit and overcome the power of Darkness; who compels no one to blind obedience and blind faith in human dogmas; who through His emissaries calls constantly to human beings: you shall not kill, nor take by force, nor rob, nor plunder; who turns away in grief from human beings, when they wage deadly wars; who does not select one people, but who says: all human beings are equal before Me, all stand equally close to My Fatherly Heart?

Which is the more Loving, the more Compassionate God?

He who bestows the gift of eternal life upon a small chosen flock; who lets sinful human beings go to their perdition in an everlasting hell, that they may be punished, and that the joy of the blessed in the Kingdom of Heaven may be the greater in comparison with the sufferings of the damned; who demands that human beings must torment and confine themselves in narrow cloisters and hide themselves from life and from the Light; who demands that human beings shall recite prayers at given hours and according to prescribed rules; who must constantly be bribed with blood sacrifice, sweet incense, gold, silver and precious stones before granting any prayer; who demands Baptism, Communion and other Sacraments in order to receive the true believers and to forgive the repentant; and he who chains the Prince of Evil for all eternity in the darkest abyss of Hell?

He who bestows the gift of eternal life upon all who will receive it; who opens His Fatherly Home to all and bids all welcome when they have overcome sin and Darkness, and when their spirit has been purified by the Light; who seeks to open the eyes of human beings to all that is good and beautiful, that the joys of earthly life may help them bear its burdens of Darkness; who at all times has an open ear and a loving heart for the deepfelt yearning and the fervent prayers of repentant human beings; who gives without demanding tribute — or even thanks; who says: that which you have sinned against Me, that I forgive when you repent and when you pray; who has been able to forgive him that has sinned the most and fallen the deepest, and has opposed Him through millions of years?

In this way all that is now given to humanity through this work should be arranged and compared with that which has previously been given, and should there still be human beings who dare maintain that this is the work of Antichrist, then there is but a single answer to such an assertion: also the spiritually deaf and the spiritually blind can through new incarnations come unto the knowledge of truth!
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I believe the True God is YHWH (Jehovah) the Creator of the universe and the only rightful object of religious adoration (See Rev 4:11).


To learn more please go to other posts related to ....

GOD, THE DIVINE NAME and ...THE TRINITY
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http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

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Funny, I could have sworn I responded. However, the claim that the true god is kind, just and merciful tends to show that there are no gods, but a universe that doesn't care and would as soon extinct us as not. The problem of evil rather makes the point - that no god seems to step in to sort this mess out, or even answers prayer, which requires the Believers to 'cope' why prayers don't get answered and the believers know they don't. Because if you propose a Test, rather than take the test on in joy and confidence, they immediately start to make excuses as to why they shouldn't.

The evidence is compelling to anyone using critical faculties rather than bells and whistles, there may possibly be a god, but it ain't any of the man -made ones on offer.

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God is the Creator. He is like the Father of all the fathers.

When you meet the Creator then you will know what the ideal father is like.

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Eloi wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:57 pm God is the Creator.
Which one of the available god concepts are you claiming to have created and how do you know?
He is like the Father of all the fathers.
Why is he not the father of all mothers? It is unclear what point you are trying to make. Can you say it in another way perhaps?
When you meet the Creator then you will know what the ideal father is like.
I meet with my creators all the time. Is there some God that you can ask to help you make an argument in place of seemingly random comments? Make sure this God knows that this is a debate site beforehand please. :approve:
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Waterfall wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:08 pm I hope you will find this interesting and worth your time. It is from this book...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toward_the_Light
To the dogmatic, the fanatical and to the narrow-minded human beings and those to whom young and undeveloped spirits have been bound, the thought will in all likelihood occur that this book is the work of Antichrist (Satan or his emissary). For the benefit of such people, the following will suggest how they should arrange that which is presented in this book, under the leadership of God and through the influence of the Light, in order to compare this with the ancient Scriptures, inherited traditions and orthodox dogmatism of human origin, all of which came into existence while Ardor was still striving to withhold from humanity as much as possible of the truth and of the Light.

Which is the Mightiest, the Highest God?

He who hitherto has appeared in the human consciousness as the creator of the imperfect human body, of that world of sin and death in which human beings live; who caused one part of his divinity to appear as a human being in order through his blood sacrifice to reconcile the other part of his divine being with the fallen and sinful beings created by his whole self?

He who in His foresight arranged all things so that He could bring His fallen children and their creatures under the regulating influence of the Light, so as to win back His children and make their creatures His own; who in all ways, by every possible means, and along many roads tries to lead the human beings away from Darkness and sin and toward truth and Light?

Which God is the more Just?

He who judges the human spirit after one brief life on Earth; who demands blind obedience and belief without understanding; who demands, through his emissaries, that true faith shall be propagated by the sword; who sanctifies war; who is the supreme war lord to one of the warfaring parties, to the other or to all of them, and who thus contradicts himself; who selects one people as his own in preference to all other peoples?

He who allows human beings a sufficient number of earthly lives to mature their spirit and overcome the power of Darkness; who compels no one to blind obedience and blind faith in human dogmas; who through His emissaries calls constantly to human beings: you shall not kill, nor take by force, nor rob, nor plunder; who turns away in grief from human beings, when they wage deadly wars; who does not select one people, but who says: all human beings are equal before Me, all stand equally close to My Fatherly Heart?

Which is the more Loving, the more Compassionate God?

He who bestows the gift of eternal life upon a small chosen flock; who lets sinful human beings go to their perdition in an everlasting hell, that they may be punished, and that the joy of the blessed in the Kingdom of Heaven may be the greater in comparison with the sufferings of the damned; who demands that human beings must torment and confine themselves in narrow cloisters and hide themselves from life and from the Light; who demands that human beings shall recite prayers at given hours and according to prescribed rules; who must constantly be bribed with blood sacrifice, sweet incense, gold, silver and precious stones before granting any prayer; who demands Baptism, Communion and other Sacraments in order to receive the true believers and to forgive the repentant; and he who chains the Prince of Evil for all eternity in the darkest abyss of Hell?

He who bestows the gift of eternal life upon all who will receive it; who opens His Fatherly Home to all and bids all welcome when they have overcome sin and Darkness, and when their spirit has been purified by the Light; who seeks to open the eyes of human beings to all that is good and beautiful, that the joys of earthly life may help them bear its burdens of Darkness; who at all times has an open ear and a loving heart for the deepfelt yearning and the fervent prayers of repentant human beings; who gives without demanding tribute — or even thanks; who says: that which you have sinned against Me, that I forgive when you repent and when you pray; who has been able to forgive him that has sinned the most and fallen the deepest, and has opposed Him through millions of years?

In this way all that is now given to humanity through this work should be arranged and compared with that which has previously been given, and should there still be human beings who dare maintain that this is the work of Antichrist, then there is but a single answer to such an assertion: also the spiritually deaf and the spiritually blind can through new incarnations come unto the knowledge of truth!
Thanks, but long-winded and pretentious (pompous?) pronouncements leave me cold. Far too many "He who"s to care what follows.

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Waterfall wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:08 pm
To the dogmatic, the fanatical and to the narrow-minded human beings and those to whom young and undeveloped spirits have been bound, the thought will in all likelihood occur that this book is the work of Antichrist (Satan or his emissary).
I read this far and stopped. Any document that goes to such lengths to insult people for disagreeing with the author is almost certainly an unhealthy thing to read.
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
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bjs1 wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:08 am
Waterfall wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:08 pm
To the dogmatic, the fanatical and to the narrow-minded human beings and those to whom young and undeveloped spirits have been bound, the thought will in all likelihood occur that this book is the work of Antichrist (Satan or his emissary).
I read this far and stopped. Any document that goes to such lengths to insult people for disagreeing with the author is almost certainly an unhealthy thing to read.
Alas, that is not how such things are perceived by the faithful.

Matthew 11.25 At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike."

Such demeaning, deprecating and downputting by the religious text is only ever seen by them as instructing those who do not Understand, for their own good. It is not intended to be aggressive, superior and condescending but is intended to shake the skeptic up, face them with their blindness and m ake them see their own shortcomings - all for their own good. Of course, it is seen as rude, superior and insulting if anyone of a different faith, and especially the atheist, does it.

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2]

Namaskaram JW

Why do you hate the wicked? Is it just a child/brother/sister? Will love set you free? For inspiration...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5WM5yIe890

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71huh17NqaI











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Waterfall wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:47 am Namaskaram JW

Why do you hate the wicked? Is it just a child/brother/sister? Will love set you free?
Namaskaram Waterfall.
Why do you hate loving people? And butterflies! Why do you hate butterflies? I wish you would allow love to set you free.

Too easy! 8-)
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

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