Job 12: Is God active in the Natural World?

[Masterblaster]

Hello

Job12:
7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?
10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind

Somebody mentioned an Evolution phobia among Christians. What about a complete nature phobia?

Is God still turning up for work in our natural world?
(the best of Biblical Scripture states that he is).

Do you detect God in the natural world?

Why is this aspect of God largely ommitted from doctrine and discussion?
Is the mystical more attractive than the real?
Is Job correct in stating an awareness of God in all of creation?
Your opinion on this matter, please!

[Masterblaster]

Hello JehovahsWitness

You say - "It is correct to say in Christian (and indeed in the theology of all the Abrahamic faiths), God has never been inside grass or the carrot on your DINNER plate... biblically, God is not nature, God created nature."

At last an attempt at proper engagement. Leave out the Judaic Faith in this. I haven't a clue about Islam but you are correct about Christian theology.

That is what I have been saying,....its a card trick that you pay for.

Job, ,Jesus ,Judaism, disagree with your Christian stance.

[JehovahsWitness]

..."If you have a simple choice between these two ,you will always, logically , choose evidence.

Okay so if you were not refering to anything in the quotation; you can ignore my posts #45, #46. I thought you were commenting on the actual quotation.

My bad,


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

It is correct to say in Christian (and indeed in the theology of all the Abrahamic faiths), God has never been inside grass or the carrot on your DINNER plate... biblically, God is not nature, God created nature. All living things have the divine force of life, the power to live that is ultimately generated by the Almighty, so we can think of God's power or SPIRIT (active force) being in all living breathing organisms, but YHWH himself lives in heaven and is not literally inside people, animals, plants, stars or planets.

Job, ,Jesus ,..., disagree with your Christian stance.

Feel free to attempt to offer scriptural proof to support this claim.

[Masterblaster]

Hello

Job 12: '9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?
10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind'

What is this saying, JW? ( Attempt 3)

[JehovahsWitness]

JOB 12:9, 10 - NWT

Who among all these does not know that the hand of Jehovah has done this? In his hand is the life of every living thing, and the spirit of every human

What is this saying, JW?

QUESTION WHAT IS JOB 12 VERSE 9, 10 SAYING ?

ANSWER Job chapter 12 verse 9 and 10 is saying that by his own power Jehovah [YHWH] created all things and by that same dynamic energy all things [both animate and inanimate] continue to exist

• What are the "these" that are refered to in the verse? These refer to all the the animate and inanimate things God has created.

JOB 12:8

Berean Standard Bible
... speak to the earth, and it will teach you

• In what sense do inanimate objects and animals "know " they were created ? They "know" in the sense that their design and /or instinct reflect the intelligence of their creator

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[Masterblaster]

Hello JehovahsWitness

You say - "In what sense do inanimate objects and animals "know " they were created ? They "know" in the sense that their design and /or instinct reflect the intelligence of their creator"

We are nearly there with this, JW. Do not squirm away from the truth, Please! What you have in the above is 'Scriptural Juggling', ..and that's me being kind.

Watch this!

We "know" in the sense that our design and /or instinct reflect the intelligence of our creator"

Will you settle for that?
If it is good enough for a rock , then, why not?

We are a reflection of God, nothing more!
That is all we know!

Do you agree? If not , then why not?

Are we in the general or the specific and the wheel comes around again.
Thanks

[JehovahsWitness]

We are a reflection of God, nothing more!

Inanimate objects and animals can only reflect God on a molecular and /or an instinctive level. Lacking intellect they cannot in themselves reflect God's ability for independent reason and spirituality.

Humans however are different; Only of humans is God recorded as saying "Let us make man in our image" . So, like all living (and inanimate) things, human physiology is a testimony to the intelligence and ingenuity of the Creator. Humans, however, stand apart in that they are capable of reflecting such divine qualities to a degree impossible for inanimate objects and animals.



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[JehovahsWitness]

Are we in the general or the specific ...

"WE" as in ....me and you in this discussion? or "we" as in humans? The "general or the specific" what? To what are you referring ? The question is too vague for me to be able to answer.

[Masterblaster]

We are a reflection of God, nothing more!

Inanimate objects and animals can only reflect God on a molecular and /or an instinctive level. Lacking intellect they cannot in themselves reflect God's ability for independent reason and spirituality.

Humans however are different; Only of humans is God recorded as saying "Let us make man in our image" . So, like all living (and inanimate) things, human physiology is a testimony to the intelligence and ingenuity of the Creator but humans stand apart as children of God, that are capable of reflecting his qualities to a degree impossible for Inanimate objects and animals.



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Hello

And there we have it....the Scripture Watershed between Christians and Reality. This is the rational for dumping in Nature (God) and saying a few prayers afterwards to square things up. You have brought us back to Ground Zero and I'm not repeating the tour.
Thanks

[JehovahsWitness]

Inanimate objects and animals can only reflect God on a molecular and /or an instinctive level. Lacking intellect they cannot in themselves reflect God's ability for independent reason and spirituality.

Humans however are different; Only of humans is God recorded as saying "Let us make man in our image" . So, like all living (and inanimate) things, human physiology is a testimony to the intelligence and ingenuity of the Creator. Humans, however, stand apart in that they are capable of reflecting such qualities to a degree impossible for inanimate objects and animals.

... This is the rational for dumping in Nature ... and saying a few prayers afterwards to square things up

I dont see how. Believing humans are superior in intellect to animals and inanimate objects is simply a statement of fact ; it does not degrade them nor give humans license for abuse. (You don't have to believe God lives in your hamster not to put it in the microwave). The bible teaches that man was given dominion over the earth to take care of it.

What better reason to respect the environment than to hold it is of divine origin?

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